Johannine Comma and German Bibles

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German Manuscripts

Augsburger Bible

1 John 5 section in the 1350 Augsburger Bible

1 John 5:8 in the 1350 Augsburger Bible

1 John 5:7 in the 1350 Augsburger Bible

The 1350 Augsburger Bible has the comma. It reads:

^[8] Wann drei sint di da geziuchnüsse gebent in d' erden d' geist wazz' un bluet, und dis drei sint ainz. ^[7] und drei sint di da geziuchnüsse gebent i dem himel. det vat'. d' sun od' daz wort, un d' hilige geist. und dis drie sint ainez. [1]

The Augsburger Bible contains a unique reading in that it reads neither "son" nor "word" exclusively, but rather "the son or the word" - "d' sun od' daz wort."

It has verse 7 after verse 8 as the printed 1466 Mentelin Bible does.

Pre Lutheren Printed German Bibles

The first German bible to be printed was the Mentelin Bible. While this edition contains no information about the printer or the date of printing, it has been revealed by the types used that it was produced in the Strasbourg workshop of Johann Mentelin (1410‒1478) in about 1466. A note at the end of the book, folio 400 verso, says “This book was bought unbound for the price of 12 florins on 27 June 1466.” The name of the Augsburg merchant and councilman Hektor Mülich (Who is assumed to have died circa 1489 or 1490) and his Ottilia Conzelmann (who died in 1467) is inscribed underneath the coats of arms. In 1787, Gerhoh Steigenberger who was a Munich court librarian, was able to prove that the bible of Heinrich Eggestein, also of Strasbourg, was simply a reprint of Mentelin’s edition with some omissions.

The Comma was omitted from the German bible during Luther's lifetime, and inserted into the German text for the first time in 1574 by a Frankfurt publisher.

Mentelin Bible

1 John 5 section in the 1466 Mentelin Bible

1 John 5:8 in the 1466 Mentelin Bible

1 John 5:7 in the 1466 Mentelin Bible

The 1466 Mentelin Bible has verse 7 after verse 8, as the 1350 Augsburger Bible does:

^[8] Wann drey seind die gebent gezeug auf der erde, der geist, wasser, ond blut, ond dise drey seind ein. ^[7] Vnd drey seind die gebent gezeug im himel, der vatter, das wort, ond der heilig geist; ond dise drey seind ein. [2]

Eggestein

1470 AD Strassburg: H. Eggestein

Gunther Zainer

1475 AD Augsburg: Gunther Zainer

wan drey seind die da gebent gezeugknub auff der erde, d'geyst, das wasser, on de blut, ond dise drey seind eins. Vnd drey seind die da gebent gezeugknub im himel. Der vatter, das wort, ond der heylig gist ond dise drey seind eyns.

1476 AD Augsburg: Gunther Zainer

wan drey sind die da beget gezugknusb auff der erde,d' geyst, das wasser, ond das blut, und dise dry sind eins. Vn dry sind die da gebent gezugknusz im himel. Der vatter, das wort, ond der heylig gist ond dise drey seind eyns.

1477 AD Augsburg: Gunther Zainer

wan drei seind die do gebent gezeugknub auff d'erd, d'geyst, de wasser on de plut, on dise drei sind eins Un drei seind die do gebent zeugknub i himel. Der vater de wort on d'heylig geyst. ond dise drei seind eins.

Johammes Sensenschmidt & Andreas Frisner

1476 AD Nuremberg: Johammes Sensenschmidt & Andreas Frisner

was dry sind die da gebet gezugknusz off o erde der geyst, das wasser, ond das plut, und dise dry sind eins. Un dry sind die da gebent gezugknusz im himel Der vatter, das wort, on der heylig geyst, onnd dise dry sind eins.

Kolner Bible

1478 AD Kolner Bible, Die Neiderdeutschen Bibelfruhdrucke

7. wente dre sint de dar gheuen ghetuchnisse in dem hemmel. de vadeer. dat word, vnde de hillighe gheyst. vnde desse dre sint een. 8. Vnde dre sint de dar gheuen ghetuchnisse vp der erden. de gheyst. dat water. vnde dat bloed. vnde desse dre sint een.

Anton Koberger

1483 AD Nurember: Anton Koberger

wan drey sind, Sy da geben gezewgknub auff der erde, der geyst, de wasser, und daz blut, und dise drey sind eins. Und drey sind die da geben gezewgknub im hymel. Der vater, das wort, un der heylig geyst, on dise drey seind eins.

Johann Reinhard de Gruningen

1485 AD Strassburg: Johann Reinhard de Gruningen

Wann drey seind, die da geben gezewgknub auff der ere, d'geist das wasser, ond das Blut, onnd dise drey seind eins. Unnd drey sind dye da geben gezewgknub imm hymel. Der vatter das wort, ond der heilig geist, und dyse drey seind eins.

Johann Schonsperger

1490 AD Augsburg: Johann Schonsperger

wann drey sind, die da geben gezeugknub auff der erde, der geyst, das wasser, onnd auch de blutt, onnd dise drey sind eyns. Und drey sind die da geben gezeugknub im hymmel. Der vater, das wortt, onnd der heylige geyst, on dise drey sind eins.

Luther

Perhaps Luther’s greatest accomplishment was the the Luther Bible. In a very short period of time while in hiding in Wartburg, he translated the New Testament, and then later, the Old Testament. However, it is a myth that Luther was the first one ever to translate the Bible into German. There were, in fact, at least eighteen German translations of the whole Bible when he began his work. The quality and success of Luther’s translation, however, meant that the other eighteen translations were soon forgotten.[3]

1522 7 Denn drey sind die da zeugen, der geyst, vnd das Wasser, vnd das blut, 8 vnd die drey sind eynis,

External links

Complete List of New Testament Manuscripts That Verify 1 John 5:7 by Don C. Hewey
Digitized German bibles

Johannine Comma

1 John 5:7

1 John 5:8

Pure Bible Forum

KJV Today

1 John 5:7 and Modern Criticism by Taylor Desoto

Codex Montfortianus, Erasmus, and 1 John 5:7

Erasmian Myths: The Comma Wager

Erasmian Myths: Codex Vaticanus

1 Jn.5:7,8 Establishing the Authenticity

Defense D. A. Waite

And These Three Are One

Manuscript Differences

“And These Three Are One” Part 1

Riddle Review of McDonald book

Hixson, the CJ, and Roman Catholic Provenance

Riddle on Hixson Part 1

Riddle on Hixson Part 2

Riddle on Hixson Part 3

Riddle - Internal Argument

Riddle - Papyrus

KJV Asia Scams

KJV Asia

KJV Asia Manuscripts

Setting the Record Straight

Dedending 1 John 5:7 by David Cloud

KJV "Errors"

(1 John 5:7-8) Is It Inspired Scripture?

First John 5:6-8 by Floyd Jones

Scion of Zion Article

Trinitarian Bible Society on Johannine Comma

1 John 5:7-8 by Jeffrey Khoo

1 John 5:7 by Thomas Golda

David Cloud Articles

Email Debate Gregory S. Neal and Thomas Holland

“And These Three Are One” Part 2

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Codex Ottobonianus mss 629

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Christian Frederick Matthaei

Franz Anton Knittel

Frederick Nolan

Ezra Abbott

Walton's Polyglot

Links to Books

Frederick Nolan - An Inquiry

SS(ancti) apostolorum septem epistolae catholicae 1782 [4]

Joseph Bryennios Comma Quotation

New criticisms Knittle

13 Sermons - Doctrine of the Trinity Edmund Calamy

Raising the Ghost of Arius by Grantley McDonald

Letters To Edward Gibbon George Travis 1785

A Vindication...of Porson Thomas Turton 1827

Memoir of the Controversy. William Orme

A Vindication of 1st John v. 7 Thomas Burgess Web

Ben David

William Craig Brownlee 1825 Part 1

William Craig Brownlee 1825 Part 2

Theopneustia - François Samuel R. Louis Gaussen, 1841

New plea for the authenticity - Charles Forster 1867 [5][6]

Deux dissertations (French) English Martin

The doctrine of the Greek article - Thomas Middleton

Richard Porson I John v 7, 1790

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