Johannine Comma and Stunica - Revision history

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 Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes  ὅτι τρεῖς  εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio de testimonio triplici &c.
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 :‘If these things, as they were arranged by them, were likewise faithfully translated by the interpreters into Latin speech, they would neither create ambiguity for readers nor would there be a conflict of wording—especially in that place where, in the First Epistle of John, we read what is set down concerning the unity of the Trinity. In which place also we have discovered that the unfaithful translators greatly departed from the truth of the faith, placing in their edition only the three words—namely, water, blood, and spirit—and omitting the testimony of the Father, and of the Word, and of the Spirit; by which testimony the Catholic faith is especially strengthened, and the one substance of the divinity of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is proved.’”
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Nick at 11:12, 5 December 2025

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	Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio de testimonio triplici &c.		Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio de testimonio triplici &c.

	Stunica. Sciendum est hoc loco græcorum codices apertissime esse corruptos: nostros vero veritatem ipsam, ut a prima origine traducti sunt, continere. Quod ex prologo beati Hieronymi super epistolas canonicas manifeste apparet. Ait enim Quae si sic ut ab eis digestæ sunt, ita quoque ab interpretibus fideliter in Latinum verterentur eloquium: nec ambiguitatem legentibus facerent: nec sermonum sese varietas impugnaret illo præcipue loco, ubi de unitate trinitatis in prima Ioannis epistola positum legimus. In qua etiam ab infidelibus translatoribus multum erratum esse a fidei veritate comperimus trium tantummodo vocabula hoc est aquæ sanguinis, & spiritus, in ipsa sua editione ponentibus, & patris verbiquum, ac spiritus testimoniom ommittentibus, in quo maxime & fides catholica roboratur, & patris, & filii, & spiritus sancti una divinitatis substantia comprobatur.		Stunica. Sciendum est hoc loco græcorum codices apertissime esse corruptos: nostros vero veritatem ipsam, ut a prima origine traducti sunt, continere. Quod ex prologo beati Hieronymi super epistolas canonicas manifeste apparet. Ait enim Quae si sic ut ab eis digestæ sunt, ita quoque ab interpretibus fideliter in Latinum verterentur eloquium: nec ambiguitatem legentibus facerent: nec sermonum sese varietas impugnaret illo præcipue loco, ubi de unitate trinitatis in prima Ioannis epistola positum legimus. In qua etiam ab infidelibus translatoribus multum erratum esse a fidei veritate comperimus trium tantummodo vocabula hoc est aquæ sanguinis, & spiritus, in ipsa sua editione ponentibus, & patris verbiquum, ac spiritus testimoniom ommittentibus, in quo maxime & fides catholica roboratur, & patris, & filii, & spiritus sancti una divinitatis substantia comprobatur.[https://archive.org/details/bub_gb__xTJ66Wj0sUC/page/n110/mode/1up]

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Nick at 11:10, 5 December 2025

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	Stunica. Sciendum est hoc loco græcorum codices apertissime esse corruptos: nostros vero veritatem ipsam, ut a prima origine traducti sunt, continere. Quod ex prologo beati Hieronymi super epistolas canonicas manifeste apparet. Ait enim Quae si sic ut ab eis digestæ sunt, ita quoque ab interpretibus fideliter in Latinum verterentur eloquium: nec ambiguitatem legentibus facerent: nec sermonum sese varietas impugnaret illo præcipue loco, ubi de unitate trinitatis in prima Ioannis epistola positum legimus. In qua etiam ab infidelibus translatoribus multum erratum esse a fidei veritate comperimus trium tantummodo vocabula hoc est aquæ sanguinis, & spiritus, in ipsa sua editione ponentibus, & patris verbiquum, ac spiritus testimoniom ommittentibus, in quo maxime & fides catholica roboratur, & patris, & filii, & spiritus sancti una divinitatis substantia comprobatur.		Stunica. Sciendum est hoc loco græcorum codices apertissime esse corruptos: nostros vero veritatem ipsam, ut a prima origine traducti sunt, continere. Quod ex prologo beati Hieronymi super epistolas canonicas manifeste apparet. Ait enim Quae si sic ut ab eis digestæ sunt, ita quoque ab interpretibus fideliter in Latinum verterentur eloquium: nec ambiguitatem legentibus facerent: nec sermonum sese varietas impugnaret illo præcipue loco, ubi de unitate trinitatis in prima Ioannis epistola positum legimus. In qua etiam ab infidelibus translatoribus multum erratum esse a fidei veritate comperimus trium tantummodo vocabula hoc est aquæ sanguinis, & spiritus, in ipsa sua editione ponentibus, & patris verbiquum, ac spiritus testimoniom ommittentibus, in quo maxime & fides catholica roboratur, & patris, & filii, & spiritus sancti una divinitatis substantia comprobatur.

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			;Old translation
			“Because there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three who bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are one.”

			;John:
			“ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες, τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν.”
			(“For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement.”)

			;Erasmus:
			“Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are one. And in the annotations: In the Greek manuscript I find only this concerning the threefold testimony, etc.”

			;Stunica:
			“It must be understood that in this place the Greek manuscripts are most plainly corrupted; but our manuscripts truly contain the truth itself, as they have been translated from the very first origin. This clearly appears from the prologue of blessed Jerome upon the canonical epistles. For he says:

			:‘If these things, as they were arranged by them, were likewise faithfully translated by the interpreters into Latin speech, they would neither create ambiguity for readers nor would there be a conflict of wording—especially in that place where, in the First Epistle of John, we read what is set down concerning the unity of the Trinity. In which place also we have discovered that the unfaithful translators greatly departed from the truth of the faith, placing in their edition only the three words—namely, water, blood, and spirit—and omitting the testimony of the Father, and of the Word, and of the Spirit; by which testimony the Catholic faith is especially strengthened, and the one substance of the divinity of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is proved.’”

	====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====		====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====

Nick at 11:02, 5 December 2025

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	Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio		Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio de testimonio triplici &c.

			Stunica. Sciendum est hoc loco græcorum codices apertissime esse corruptos: nostros vero veritatem ipsam, ut a prima origine traducti sunt, continere. Quod ex prologo beati Hieronymi super epistolas canonicas manifeste apparet. Ait enim Quae si sic ut ab eis digestæ sunt, ita quoque ab interpretibus fideliter in Latinum verterentur eloquium: nec ambiguitatem legentibus facerent: nec sermonum sese varietas impugnaret illo præcipue loco, ubi de unitate trinitatis in prima Ioannis epistola positum legimus. In qua etiam ab infidelibus translatoribus multum erratum esse a fidei veritate comperimus trium tantummodo vocabula hoc est aquæ sanguinis, & spiritus, in ipsa sua editione ponentibus, & patris verbiquum, ac spiritus testimoniom ommittentibus, in quo maxime & fides catholica roboratur, & patris, & filii, & spiritus sancti una divinitatis substantia comprobatur.

	====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====		====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====

Nick at 08:57, 5 December 2025

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			Vetus tralatio. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo pater, verbum, & spiritus sanctus, & hi tres unum sunt. Et tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in terra spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres unum sunt. Ioannes ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἐν εσὶν. Erasmus. Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant spiritus, aqua, & sanguis, & hi tres, unum sunt. Et in annotationibus. In græco codice tantū hoc reperio

	====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====		====[[Stunica\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====
	[[Image:stunica on 1 John 5.7.jpg\|thumb\|right\|x300\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica) wrote a half page response to Erasmus concerning the Comma in 1520[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UN5JAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP115&ots=4jFvm_YexC&dq=Vetus%20tralatio.%20Quoniam%20tres%20sunt%2C%20qui%20testimonium%20dant%20in&pg=PP115#v=onepage&q&f=false].]]		[[Image:stunica on 1 John 5.7.jpg\|thumb\|right\|x300\|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica) wrote a half page response to Erasmus concerning the Comma in 1520[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UN5JAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP115&ots=4jFvm_YexC&dq=Vetus%20tralatio.%20Quoniam%20tres%20sunt%2C%20qui%20testimonium%20dant%20in&pg=PP115#v=onepage&q&f=false].]]

Nick at 10:04, 3 December 2025

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	<small>[http://dioscorides.ucm.es/proyecto_digitalizacion/index.php?doc=5316850631&y=2011&p=6 Annotationes Iacobi Lopidis Stunicae contra Erasmum Roterodamum in defensionem tralationis Noui Testamenti - Volume 1 of Diapositivas (Biblioteca Histórica UCM)] 1520 by Diego López de Zúñiga y Sotomayor - Publisher per Arnaldum Guilielmum de Brocario. 116 pages</small>		<small>[http://dioscorides.ucm.es/proyecto_digitalizacion/index.php?doc=5316850631&y=2011&p=6 Annotationes Iacobi Lopidis Stunicae contra Erasmum Roterodamum in defensionem tralationis Noui Testamenti - Volume 1 of Diapositivas (Biblioteca Histórica UCM)] 1520 by Diego López de Zúñiga y Sotomayor - Publisher per Arnaldum Guilielmum de Brocario. 116 pages</small>

			==See also==

			* [[1 John 5:7]]

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====[[Stunica|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]]====
[[Image:stunica on 1 John 5.7.jpg|thumb|right|x300|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica) wrote a half page response to Erasmus concerning the Comma in 1520[https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UN5JAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PP115&ots=4jFvm_YexC&dq=Vetus%20tralatio.%20Quoniam%20tres%20sunt%2C%20qui%20testimonium%20dant%20in&pg=PP115#v=onepage&q&f=false].]]
In [[1520 AD|1520]], [[Complutensian Polyglot]] editor [[Stunica|Diego López de Zúñiga (Stunica)]] wrote a half page response to [[Erasmus]] concerning the Comma.

<small>[http://dioscorides.ucm.es/proyecto_digitalizacion/index.php?doc=5316850631&y=2011&p=6 Annotationes Iacobi Lopidis Stunicae contra Erasmum Roterodamum in defensionem tralationis Noui Testamenti - Volume 1 of Diapositivas (Biblioteca Histórica UCM)] 1520 by Diego López de Zúñiga y Sotomayor - Publisher per Arnaldum Guilielmum de Brocario. 116 pages</small>