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	==[[Jay Green]]==		==[[Jay Green]]==
	J.P. Green (the editor of the MKJV and LITV) has a similar comment in the preface to his interlinear.:		J.P. Green (the editor of the [[MKJV]] and [[LITV]]) has a similar comment in the preface to his interlinear:
	:"...Although it is admitted that Erasmus has added to his Received Text two or three readings from the Latin Vulgate, without Greek manuscript authority (e.g. Acts 9:5,6), and also one from the Complutension Bible has no Greek manuscript authority (1 John 5:7). We have not deleted these from the Greek text as supplied by the Trinitarian Bible Society, though we do not accept them as part of the true deposit of the Holy Scriptures..." <small>(''The Interlinear Bible'', Vol. IV, p. xi).</small>		:"...Although it is admitted that Erasmus has added to his Received Text two or three readings from the Latin Vulgate, without Greek manuscript authority (e.g. Acts 9:5,6), and also one from the Complutension Bible has no Greek manuscript authority (1 John 5:7). We have not deleted these from the Greek text as supplied by the Trinitarian Bible Society, though we do not accept them as part of the true deposit of the Holy Scriptures..." <small>(''The Interlinear Bible'', Vol. IV, p. xi).</small>

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	==[[Minuscule 629]]==		==[[Minuscule 629]]==
	While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted. [https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.		While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted [https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.

	==The Laudian Acts==		==The Laudian Acts==

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	==[[Minuscule 629]]==		==[[Minuscule 629]]==
	While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted.[https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.		While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted. [https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.

	==The Laudian Acts==		==The Laudian Acts==

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			25 English words that appear in Acts 9:5-6 in the King James Version are omitted.

			==Omitted Words==
	[[King James Version]]:		[[King James Version]]:
	:<sup>[[Acts 9:5\|5]]</sup> And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.</u>'''		:<sup>[[Acts 9:5\|5]]</sup> And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.</u>'''

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	==Reformation Era Translations==		==Reformation Era Translations==
	(KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,</u>''' Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.		* (KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,</u>''' Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
	(1611 KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Iesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes. (6) And he trembling and astonished, said, Lord, what wilt thou haue mee to doe? And the Lord said vnto him,</u>''' Arise, and goe into the citie, and it shall be told thee what thou must doe.
	(1568 Bishop’s Bible) (5) And he sayde: Who art thou Lorde? And the Lorde said: I am Iesus who thou persecutest, '''<u>It is harde for thee to kicke agaynst the prickes. (6) And he both tremblyng and astonyed, sayde: Lord, what wylt thou haue me to do? And the Lorde sayde vnto hym:</u>''' Aryse, and go into the citie, and it shalbe tolde thee what thou must do.		* ((1611 KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Iesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes. (6) And he trembling and astonished, said, Lord, what wilt thou haue mee to doe? And the Lord said vnto him,</u>''' Arise, and goe into the citie, and it shall be told thee what thou must doe.
	(1526 Tyndale) (5) And he sayde what arte thou lorde? And the lorde sayd I am Iesus whom thou persecutest '''<u>it shalbe harde for ye to kycke agaynst ye pricke. (6) And he bothe tremblynge and astonyed sayde: Lorde what wilt thou have me to do? And ye Lorde sayde vnto him:</u>''' aryse and goo into the cite and it shalbe tolde the what thou shalt do
			* (1568 Bishop’s Bible) (5) And he sayde: Who art thou Lorde? And the Lorde said: I am Iesus who thou persecutest, '''<u>It is harde for thee to kicke agaynst the prickes. (6) And he both tremblyng and astonyed, sayde: Lord, what wylt thou haue me to do? And the Lorde sayde vnto hym:</u>''' Aryse, and go into the citie, and it shalbe tolde thee what thou must do.

			* (1526 Tyndale) (5) And he sayde what arte thou lorde? And the lorde sayd I am Iesus whom thou persecutest '''<u>it shalbe harde for ye to kycke agaynst ye pricke. (6) And he bothe tremblynge and astonyed sayde: Lorde what wilt thou have me to do? And ye Lorde sayde vnto him:</u>''' aryse and goo into the cite and it shalbe tolde the what thou shalt do

	==[[Minuscule 629]]==		==[[Minuscule 629]]==

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	The underlined words above are omitted from the NA/UBS editions of the Greek text but are in the [[Textus Receptus]].		The underlined words above are omitted from the NA/UBS editions of the Greek text but are in the [[Textus Receptus]].

			==Reformation Era Translations==
	(KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,</u>''' Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.		(KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,</u>''' Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
	(1611 KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Iesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes. (6) And he trembling and astonished, said, Lord, what wilt thou haue mee to doe? And the Lord said vnto him,</u>''' Arise, and goe into the citie, and it shall be told thee what thou must doe.		(1611 KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Iesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes. (6) And he trembling and astonished, said, Lord, what wilt thou haue mee to doe? And the Lord said vnto him,</u>''' Arise, and goe into the citie, and it shall be told thee what thou must doe.

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	The underlined words above are omitted from the NA/UBS editions of the Greek text but are in the [[Textus Receptus]].		The underlined words above are omitted from the NA/UBS editions of the Greek text but are in the [[Textus Receptus]].


			(KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. (6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,</u>''' Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
			(1611 KJV) (5) And he said, Who art thou Lord? And the Lord said, I am Iesus whom thou persecutest: '''<u>It is hard for thee to kicke against the prickes. (6) And he trembling and astonished, said, Lord, what wilt thou haue mee to doe? And the Lord said vnto him,</u>''' Arise, and goe into the citie, and it shall be told thee what thou must doe.
			(1568 Bishop’s Bible) (5) And he sayde: Who art thou Lorde? And the Lorde said: I am Iesus who thou persecutest, '''<u>It is harde for thee to kicke agaynst the prickes. (6) And he both tremblyng and astonyed, sayde: Lord, what wylt thou haue me to do? And the Lorde sayde vnto hym:</u>''' Aryse, and go into the citie, and it shalbe tolde thee what thou must do.
			(1526 Tyndale) (5) And he sayde what arte thou lorde? And the lorde sayd I am Iesus whom thou persecutest '''<u>it shalbe harde for ye to kycke agaynst ye pricke. (6) And he bothe tremblynge and astonyed sayde: Lorde what wilt thou have me to do? And ye Lorde sayde vnto him:</u>''' aryse and goo into the cite and it shalbe tolde the what thou shalt do

	==[[Minuscule 629]]==		==[[Minuscule 629]]==
	While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted.[https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.		While several web pages point to [[Minuscule 629]] as having the Greek reading of [[Acts 9:6]] the Greek is actually omitted.[https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Ott.gr.298/0053?fbclid=IwAR0GAuZfwgzZD9Lu-jfXR3ExmoXUY7ajSJJJmaOMq82Q0tb0dJQ7yantSok in that section]. Most of verse 6 of the [[Textus Receptus]] reading is omitted in 629, but a space is left for it.

	==The Laudian Acts==		==The Laudian Acts==

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	==External Links==		==External Links==
	* [~~http~~://www.kjvtoday.~~com~~/home/it-is-hard-for-thee-to-kick-against-the-pricks-and-he-trembling-and-astonished-said-lord-what-wilt-thou-have-me-to-do-and-the-lord-said-unto-him-in-acts-95-6 “It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,” in Acts 9:5-6?] by [[KJV Today]]		* [https://www.kjvtoday.net/home/it-is-hard-for-thee-to-kick-against-the-pricks-and-he-trembling-and-astonished-said-lord-what-wilt-thou-have-me-to-do-and-the-lord-said-unto-him-in-acts-95-6 “It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him,” in Acts 9:5-6?] by [[KJV Today]]

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	:Even if one were to doubt the KJV reading of Acts 9:5-6, he has no reason to doubt the historical fact stated therein. This exact conversation between Christ and Paul did occur, according to Acts 22 and 26. So even if a reader supposes that including this passage in Acts 9:6 is an error, the reader has no reason to doubt the truth of the passage. This is not a case where the stated historical fact is not supported by any original language text. For example, the NIV has Cain saying to Abel, "Let's go out to the field" in Genesis 4:8 based on non-Hebrew texts (i.e. Vulgate, Septuagint). The Hebrew does not have this reading in Genesis 4:8 and no other place in the Bible mentions this statement by Cain to Abel. KJV's Acts 9:6 is not such a case where a debatable historical fact is included. In conclusion: At most, one could accept the KJV reading as original presuming that non-Greek texts preserved the reading correctly against all Greek texts (except for one) that became corrupt in this place at a very early stage. But at the very least, even if one were to think that the KJV incorrectly inserts this passage in Acts 9:6, he has no reason to doubt the content. We can read Acts 9:6 and believe its content with certainty.		:Even if one were to doubt the KJV reading of Acts 9:5-6, he has no reason to doubt the historical fact stated therein. This exact conversation between Christ and Paul did occur, according to Acts 22 and 26. So even if a reader supposes that including this passage in Acts 9:6 is an error, the reader has no reason to doubt the truth of the passage. This is not a case where the stated historical fact is not supported by any original language text. For example, the NIV has Cain saying to Abel, "Let's go out to the field" in Genesis 4:8 based on non-Hebrew texts (i.e. Vulgate, Septuagint). The Hebrew does not have this reading in Genesis 4:8 and no other place in the Bible mentions this statement by Cain to Abel. KJV's Acts 9:6 is not such a case where a debatable historical fact is included. In conclusion: At most, one could accept the KJV reading as original presuming that non-Greek texts preserved the reading correctly against all Greek texts (except for one) that became corrupt in this place at a very early stage. But at the very least, even if one were to think that the KJV incorrectly inserts this passage in Acts 9:6, he has no reason to doubt the content. We can read Acts 9:6 and believe its content with certainty.

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	==See also==		==See also==

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	==[[Thomas Holland]]==		==[[Thomas Holland]]==
	[[Thomas Holland]], in the section of his book, ''[https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_ac9_5-6.html Acts 9:5-6 - "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks"]'', in ''Crowned With Glory'', has:		[[Thomas Holland]], in the section of his book, ''[https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_ac9_5-6.html Acts 9:5-6 - "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks"],'' in ''Crowned With Glory'', has:
	:The phrase from verse five, "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks," is in the Old Latin and some Vulgate manuscripts. It is also in the Peshitta and the Greek of Codex E and 431, but in verse four instead of verse five. The passage from verse six that reads, "And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him" is in the Old Latin, the Latin Vulgate, and some of the Old Syrian and Coptic versions. These phrases, however, are not found in the vast majority of Greek manuscripts and therefore do not appear in either the Critical Text or the Majority Text. Yet, they are included in the Textus Receptus. On the surface the textual evidence looks weak. Why, then, should the Textus Receptus be accepted over the majority of Greek witnesses at this point? Because the phrases are preserved in other languages, and the internal evidence establishes that Christ in fact spoke these words at the time of Paul's conversion and are therefore authentic.		:The phrase from verse five, "it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks," is in the Old Latin and some Vulgate manuscripts. It is also in the Peshitta and the Greek of Codex E and 431, but in verse four instead of verse five. The passage from verse six that reads, "And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him" is in the Old Latin, the Latin Vulgate, and some of the Old Syrian and Coptic versions. These phrases, however, are not found in the vast majority of Greek manuscripts and therefore do not appear in either the Critical Text or the Majority Text. Yet, they are included in the Textus Receptus. On the surface the textual evidence looks weak. Why, then, should the Textus Receptus be accepted over the majority of Greek witnesses at this point? Because the phrases are preserved in other languages, and the internal evidence establishes that Christ in fact spoke these words at the time of Paul's conversion and are therefore authentic.

	:Acts chapter nine is not the only place in Scripture where the conversion of Paul is established. In Acts 22:10 and 26:14 we have the testimony of the Apostle himself. There, in all Greek texts, the phrases in question appear.		:Acts chapter nine is not the only place in Scripture where the conversion of Paul is established. In [[Acts 22:10]] and [[Acts 26:14\|26:14]] we have the testimony of the Apostle himself. There, in all Greek texts, the phrases in question appear.

	::Acts 22:10 - And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.		::[[Acts 22:10]] - And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

	::Acts 26:14 - And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.		::[[Acts 26:14]] - And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

	:When the apostle Paul recounts his conversion he cites the words in question. It is certain that the Holy Spirit inspired these words which should be included at Acts 9:5-6. We must conclude that these words were spoken when the event originally occurred. Although they have not been preserved in the Greek manuscripts at Acts 9:6, they have been preserved in the Latin manuscripts (ar, c, h, l, p, ph, t) as well as other translations (Georgian, Slavonic, Ethiopic). The greatest textual critic of all, the Holy Spirit, bears witness to their authenticity by including them in Acts 22:10 and 26:14.		:When the apostle Paul recounts his conversion he cites the words in question. It is certain that the Holy Spirit inspired these words which should be included at Acts 9:5-6. We must conclude that these words were spoken when the event originally occurred. Although they have not been preserved in the Greek manuscripts at Acts 9:6, they have been preserved in the Latin manuscripts (ar, c, h, l, p, ph, t) as well as other translations (Georgian, Slavonic, Ethiopic). The greatest textual critic of all, the Holy Spirit, bears witness to their authenticity by including them in Acts 22:10 and 26:14.

	:A similar example may be noted in Matthew 19:17, although the textual evidence is much stronger there. The King James Version reads, "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Modern texts render "why callest thou me good" to "why do you ask me about what is good." Also, the reply of Christ, "there is none good but one, that is, God" is rendered "there is only one who is good."		:A similar example may be noted in [[Matthew 19:17]], although the textual evidence is much stronger there. The King James Version reads, "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Modern texts render "why callest thou me good" to "why do you ask me about what is good." Also, the reply of Christ, "there is none good but one, that is, God" is rendered "there is only one who is good."

	:This verse, as it stands in the King James, wonderfully establishes the deity of Jesus Christ. If only God is good and Christ is called good, He must be God. The Greek support for the reading of the KJV, as presented in the Traditional Text, is substantial. Among the uncials it is found in C and W (fifth century), K and D (ninth century) and a few others. It is the reading of the majority of Greek cursives and lectionaries. It is also the reading of the Old Latin, the Old Syriac, the Coptic, and other early translations. The textual evidence is much stronger than that of Acts 9:5-6. Similarly, this passage has additional references to determine what the original reading must be. Again the Holy Spirit comes to the aid of this textual problem by providing for us two other places where this event is cited. In both cases there is no textual variant in the places supporting the disputed passage.		:This verse, as it stands in the King James, wonderfully establishes the deity of Jesus Christ. If only God is good and Christ is called good, He must be God. The Greek support for the reading of the KJV, as presented in the Traditional Text, is substantial. Among the uncials it is found in C and W (fifth century), K and D (ninth century) and a few others. It is the reading of the majority of Greek cursives and lectionaries. It is also the reading of the Old Latin, the Old Syriac, the Coptic, and other early translations. The textual evidence is much stronger than that of Acts 9:5-6. Similarly, this passage has additional references to determine what the original reading must be. Again the Holy Spirit comes to the aid of this textual problem by providing for us two other places where this event is cited. In both cases there is no textual variant in the places supporting the disputed passage.

	::Mark 10:18 - And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.		::[[Mark 10:18]] - And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

	::Luke 18:19 - And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.		::[[Luke 18:19]] - And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

	:In neither passage does the Lord say anything like, "Why do you ask me about what is good?" And, in both passages we find the noun "God." Therefore, we do not have to ask ourselves which reading in Matthew 19:17 is correct because the Holy Spirit has made it clear in additional passages which one is the correct reading. The same principle may be applied to Acts 9:5-6. Once again God bears testimony to His word. [https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_ac9_5-6.html]		:In neither passage does the Lord say anything like, "Why do you ask me about what is good?" And, in both passages we find the noun "God." Therefore, we do not have to ask ourselves which reading in [[Matthew 19:17]] is correct because the Holy Spirit has made it clear in additional passages which one is the correct reading. The same principle may be applied to Acts 9:5-6. Once again God bears testimony to His word. [https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_ac9_5-6.html]

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