Revelation 16:5 - Revision history

Nick at 07:19, 21 April 2025

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	<center>[http://theoldpathspublications.com/Pages/Authors/Sayers.htm Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]</center>		<center>[http://theoldpathspublications.com/Pages/Authors/Sayers.htm Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]</center>

-	<center>[https://www.youtube.com/live/fnofzwigd-A A Debate Between Nick Sayers and TurretinFan on Revelation 16:5]</center>	+
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		+	<center>[https://www.youtube.com/live/fnofzwigd-A Watch A Recent Debate Between Nick Sayers and TurretinFan on Revelation 16:5]</center>

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Nick at 07:18, 21 April 2025

Nick — Mon, 21 Apr 2025 07:18:53 GMT

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	<center>[http://theoldpathspublications.com/Pages/Authors/Sayers.htm Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]</center>		<center>[http://theoldpathspublications.com/Pages/Authors/Sayers.htm Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]</center>
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		+	<center>[https://www.youtube.com/live/fnofzwigd-A A Debate Between Nick Sayers and TurretinFan on Revelation 16:5]</center>

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Nick — Mon, 21 Apr 2025 07:18:18 GMT

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	==External Links==		==External Links==
		+	* [https://www.youtube.com/live/fnofzwigd-A A Debate Between Nick Sayers and TurretinFan on Revelation 16:5]
	* [https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9781733331586&ref=nb_sb_noss Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]		* [https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9781733331586&ref=nb_sb_noss Revelation 16:5 and the Triadic Declaration - A defense of the reading of “shalt be” in the Authorized Version]
	* [http://www.textusreceptusbibles.com/Interlinear/66016005 Textus Receptus Bibles, Revelation 16:5]		* [http://www.textusreceptusbibles.com/Interlinear/66016005 Textus Receptus Bibles, Revelation 16:5]

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Nick — Sat, 19 Apr 2025 13:24:54 GMT

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	* [http://www.jeffriddle.net/2019/01/wm-114-james-white-tr-and-revelation-165.html WM 114: James White, the TR, and Revelation 16:5] by [[Jeff Riddle]]		* [http://www.jeffriddle.net/2019/01/wm-114-james-white-tr-and-revelation-165.html WM 114: James White, the TR, and Revelation 16:5] by [[Jeff Riddle]]
	* [http://www.jeffriddle.net/2019/02/wm-117-conjectural-emendation-white.html WM 117: Conjectural Emendation, White, Beza, and Rev 16:5]		* [http://www.jeffriddle.net/2019/02/wm-117-conjectural-emendation-white.html WM 117: Conjectural Emendation, White, Beza, and Rev 16:5]
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		+	* [https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Io_A_Danzii_Mish%C4%B7ali_shemot_u_pe_alim_S/6yJnAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover]

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Nick — Sat, 19 Apr 2025 13:24:23 GMT

William Robertson

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	====William Robertson====		====William Robertson====
-	William Robertson said Beza got his reading from an ancient manuscript.	+	William Robertson said Beza got his reading from an ancient manuscript. [https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Thesaurus_Linguae_sanctae_Compendiose_sc/pOBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover]
-	[https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Thesaurus_Linguae_sanctae_Compendiose_sc/pOBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover]	+

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Nick — Sat, 19 Apr 2025 13:21:51 GMT

William Robertson

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	====William Robertson====		====William Robertson====
-	[https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Thesaurus_Linguae_sanctae_Compendiose_sc/pOBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover]	+	William Robertson said Beza got his reading from an ancient manuscript.
		+	[https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Thesaurus_Linguae_sanctae_Compendiose_sc/pOBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover]

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Nick: /* David Pareus */

Nick — Sat, 19 Apr 2025 13:21:09 GMT

David Pareus

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	:LORD, WHO IS] Several times he spoke of the true God, instead of describing Christ: except that instead of καὶ ἐρχόμενος (which follows above) he says here ὁ ἐσόμενος who are you, as indeed Beza from the old codex ms. restores it: when it is commonly read, καὶ ὁ ὅσιος, so that δίκαιος ὁ ὅσιος just and holy may be consistent, h. e. pure from all unrighteousness. Let us learn, then, to adore the holy judgments of God, rather than seal them up as iniquity, even though we do not sufficiently understand their causes. (Google Translate)		:LORD, WHO IS] Several times he spoke of the true God, instead of describing Christ: except that instead of καὶ ἐρχόμενος (which follows above) he says here ὁ ἐσόμενος who are you, as indeed Beza from the old codex ms. restores it: when it is commonly read, καὶ ὁ ὅσιος, so that δίκαιος ὁ ὅσιος just and holy may be consistent, h. e. pure from all unrighteousness. Let us learn, then, to adore the holy judgments of God, rather than seal them up as iniquity, even though we do not sufficiently understand their causes. (Google Translate)
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		+	====William Robertson====
		+	[https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Thesaurus_Linguae_sanctae_Compendiose_sc/pOBGAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22%CE%BA%CE%B1%E1%BD%B6+%E1%BD%81+%E1%BC%90%CF%83%CF%8C%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82%22&pg=PA1&printsec=frontcover]

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Nick at 09:21, 16 April 2025

Nick — Wed, 16 Apr 2025 09:21:09 GMT

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	====Primasius====		====Primasius====
-	Primasius~~, Bishop~~ of Hadrumetum, ~~wrote a~~ commentary on Revelation ~~around 552 AD~~ and used the Latin word "pius" instead of "sanctus." They mean the same, but it does reveal yet another variance in the text.	+	[[Primasius of Hadrumetum]] (died 560 AD) studied the exegesis of the Greeks while at Constantinople, and his fame is chiefly due to his commentary on Revelation. This work, divided into five books, is of importance both as a witness of the pre-Cyprian Latin text of the Book of Revelation used by the North African church, and as aiding in the reconstruction of the most influential Latin commentary on Revelation, the exegetical work of the Donatist Ticonius. At revelation 16:5 he used the Latin word "pius" instead of "sanctus." They mean the same, but it does reveal yet another variance in the text. In Apocalypsin IV, Cap. XVI, at Revelation 16:5, it says [https://archive.org/details/commentariusinap0000prim/page/228/mode/2up]:
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		+	:Et audiui inquit angelos aquarum dicentes : Iustus es, qui es et qui fuisti; angelos aquarum nuntios populorum interiore affectu diuinis laudibus concrepantes.
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		+	:Et qui es pius, quoniam sic iudicasti : Quoniam sanguinem sanctorum et prophetarum effuderunt, ideoque dedisti eis sanguinem bibere, quoniam digni sunt. Licet corporaliter quoque et iudaei et gentes sanctorum sanguinem fuderint, quem dominus memorat exigendum, a sanguine, inquit Abel usque ad sanguinem Zachariae. Potest tamen etiam illius plaga caecitatis intellegi, ut et illi cognoscantur sanguinem prophetarum fudisse, qui eis abutentes eorum sensus in aliud deriuant : quomodo si diceret, qui spiritalem legem carnaliter sapuerunt, iuste corruptionibus carnis et sanguinis addicti traduntur, ubi et peccata et poena cognoscitur peccatorum. Hinc apostolus dicit: Eo quod caritatem ueritatis non receperunt ut salui fierent, ideo mittet illis deus operationem erroris ut credant mendacio, et iudicentur omnes qui non crediderunt ueritati sed consenserunt iniquitati.
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		+	Translated as[https://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2023/08/primasius-on-woman-of-revelation-12-ark.html]:
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		+	:"And I heard," he says, "the angels of the waters saying: 'You are just, O Lord, the One who is and who was.'” The angels of the waters are heralds of the peoples, resounding from their innermost feelings with divine praises.
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		+	:"And you are holy because you have judged in this way: For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and you have given them blood to drink, for they are deserving." While both the Jews and the Gentiles have physically shed the blood of the saints, which the Lord mentions as requiring recompense, saying, "from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah", this could also refer to the blindness of misinterpretation. This means that those who misuse the prophecies and twist their meanings are also seen as shedding the blood of the prophets. It's like saying that those who interpret spiritual law in a carnal way are justly handed over to the corruptions of the flesh and blood, where both the sins and the punishments for sins are recognized. Hence, the apostle says: "Because they did not receive the love of truth so as to be saved, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, and they will all be judged who did not believe the truth but took pleasure in wickedness."

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Nick — Mon, 14 Apr 2025 10:41:29 GMT

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	Which means the eternal. This was also the translation used in several French editions, and links to I AM, Jehovah, and is a summery of who wast, art, and shalt be. The Latin in Walton's Polyglot at Exodus 3:14 is:		Which means the eternal. This was also the translation used in several French editions, and links to I AM, Jehovah, and is a summery of who wast, art, and shalt be. The Latin in Walton's Polyglot at Exodus 3:14 is:
-	:~~dixet~~ ei Æternus, qui non præterit	+	:dixit ei Æternus, qui non præterit
	tranlated as (Google Translate):		tranlated as (Google Translate):
	:The Eternal One, who does not pass by, said to him		:The Eternal One, who does not pass by, said to him

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Nick — Mon, 14 Apr 2025 10:40:02 GMT

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-	Which means the eternal. This was also the translation used in several French editions, and links to I AM, Jehovah, and is a summery of who wast, art, and shalt be.	+	Which means the eternal. This was also the translation used in several French editions, and links to I AM, Jehovah, and is a summery of who wast, art, and shalt be. The Latin in Walton's Polyglot at Exodus 3:14 is:
		+	:dixet ei Æternus, qui non præterit
		+	tranlated as (Google Translate):
		+	:The Eternal One, who does not pass by, said to him

	====Papyrus 47====		====Papyrus 47====