Johannine Comma - Revision history

Nick at 11:02, 23 February 2026

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	====Jerome's Vulgate====		====Jerome's Vulgate====
-	800 AD Jerome's Vulgate has it ~~[It was not in Jerome's original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts~~.]	+	800 AD Jerome's Vulgate has it.

	====Armenia – Synod of Sis====		====Armenia – Synod of Sis====

Nick at 02:28, 1 October 2025

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	[[Image:Textus Receptus 1 John 5.7 omitted.jpg\|right\|thumb\|x300\|1 John 5.7-8 with the Textus Receptus reading omitted]]		[[Image:Textus Receptus 1 John 5.7 omitted.jpg\|right\|thumb\|x300\|1 John 5.7-8 with the Textus Receptus reading omitted]]

-	''See Also [[Index of Johannine Comma articles]]'', ''[[1 John 5:7]]'' & ''[[1 John 5:8]]''.	+	:''See Also [[Index of Johannine Comma articles]]'', ''[[1 John 5:7]]'' & ''[[1 John 5:8]]''.

	The Johannine Comma (Latin:''Comma Johanneum'') is the name of [[Comma (rhetoric)\|a short clause in Ancient Greek rhetoric]], from comma (κόμμα komma, plural κόμματα kommata) and written by John, making it "Johannine" or "Johanneum", which is contained in the [[Textus Receptus]] readings of the [[First Epistle of John]].		The Johannine Comma (Latin:''Comma Johanneum'') is the name of [[Comma (rhetoric)\|a short clause in Ancient Greek rhetoric]], from comma (κόμμα komma, plural κόμματα kommata) and written by John, making it "Johannine" or "Johanneum", which is contained in the [[Textus Receptus]] readings of the [[First Epistle of John]].

Nick: /* List of comma quotations in Italian */

Nick — Wed, 01 Oct 2025 01:54:59 GMT

List of comma quotations in Italian

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	* Poiché tre sono quelli che rendono testimonianza nel cielo: il Padre, la Parola e lo Spirito Santo; e questi tre sono uno. Tre ancora sono quelli che rendono testimonianza sulla terra: lo Spirito, l'acqua e il sangue; e questi tre sono d'accordo come uno.		* Poiché tre sono quelli che rendono testimonianza nel cielo: il Padre, la Parola e lo Spirito Santo; e questi tre sono uno. Tre ancora sono quelli che rendono testimonianza sulla terra: lo Spirito, l'acqua e il sangue; e questi tre sono d'accordo come uno.

-	====Modern English Versions that omit the Comma====	+	==Modern English Versions that omit the Comma==
	:“Because those who testify are three:” (A Conservative Version)		:“Because those who testify are three:” (A Conservative Version)
	:“Because three are the Ones testifying:” (Analytical-Literal Translation)		:“Because three are the Ones testifying:” (Analytical-Literal Translation)

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Nick — Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:25:29 GMT

Hugo Grotius

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	====[[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]]====		====[[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]]====
	[[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]], looking at the Vulgate Prologue, which evidence had been emphasized by [[Stunica]], implied that Jerome had been the source of the verse about which the Prologue speaks: "For who would have called him a forger and a falsifier, unless he changed the common reading of the place?" Erasmus "spoke of Jerome's violence, unscrupulousness, and frequent inconsistency, as the probable origin of this supposed interpolation in the Sacred text." Drummond quoted Erasmus more moderately than Armfield.		[[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]], looking at the Vulgate Prologue, which evidence had been emphasized by [[Stunica]], implied that Jerome had been the source of the verse about which the Prologue speaks: "For who would have called him a forger and a falsifier, unless he changed the common reading of the place?" Erasmus "spoke of Jerome's violence, unscrupulousness, and frequent inconsistency, as the probable origin of this supposed interpolation in the Sacred text." Drummond quoted Erasmus more moderately than Armfield.
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		+	====Pierre Olivetan====
		+	Olivetan was the first translator of the French reformed Bible. He kept the Comma:
		+	*Car il en y a troys qui donnent tesmoingnage au ciel: le pere, la parolle, et
		+	le sainct esperit, et ces troys sont ung. Aussi en y a trois …
		+
		+	In the margin he wrote:
		+	*Ceste sentence commenceant à Car, jusque à Aussi, ne se trouve point
		+	en plusieurs exemplaires anciens, tant Grecz que Latins.

	====[[Hugo Grotius]]====		====[[Hugo Grotius]]====

Nick: /* List of comma quotations in English */

Nick — Mon, 03 Oct 2022 12:33:17 GMT

List of comma quotations in English

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	* 1898 - <sup>7</sup> because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one; (YLT)		* 1898 - <sup>7</sup> because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one; (YLT)
	* 1993 - <sup>7</sup> For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. <sup>8</sup> And there are three who bear witness on the earth: The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are to the one. (LITV)		* 1993 - <sup>7</sup> For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. <sup>8</sup> And there are three who bear witness on the earth: The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are to the one. (LITV)
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		+	==List of comma quotations in French==
		+	* 1644 - <sup>7</sup> Car il y en a trois qui tesmoignent au ciel; le Pere, la Parole, & le Saint Esprit: & ces trois sont vne mesme chose. <sup>8</sup> Aussi y en at-il trois qui tesmoignent en la terre; l’Esprit, & l’eau, & le sang: & ces trois se rapportent a cette chose vnique-là.

	==List of comma quotations in German==		==List of comma quotations in German==

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Nick — Sat, 21 May 2022 20:47:18 GMT

References

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	==References==		==References==
-	* 1. Such as [[~~Grantely~~ Mcdonald]], [[James White]], and [[Barry Hofstetter]].	+	* 1. Such as [[Grantly Mcdonald]], [[James White]], and [[Barry Hofstetter]].
	* 2. A list of 46 "Treatises on the genuineness of the disputed clause in I John V.7,8" appears in "An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures" by [[Thomas Hartwell Horne]] (2nd ed. 1836, Philadelphia) vol. 2, Part II, Chap. III, page 80–83.		* 2. A list of 46 "Treatises on the genuineness of the disputed clause in I John V.7,8" appears in "An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures" by [[Thomas Hartwell Horne]] (2nd ed. 1836, Philadelphia) vol. 2, Part II, Chap. III, page 80–83.

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Nick — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 11:44:16 GMT

Hugo Grotius

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	====[[Hugo Grotius]]====		====[[Hugo Grotius]]====
	[[Hugo Grotius]] contended that the verse had been added in to the Johannine text by the Arians About the Grotius view, Richard Simon wrote "... all this is only founded on conjectures: and seeing every one does reason according to his prejudices, some will have the Arians to be the authors of that addition, and others do attribute the same to the Catholicks." Luther's pastor, John Bugenhagen, like Grotius, wrote of a conjectured Arian origin .		[[Hugo Grotius]] contended that the verse had been added in to the Johannine text by the Arians About the Grotius view, Richard Simon wrote "... all this is only founded on conjectures: and seeing every one does reason according to his prejudices, some will have the Arians to be the authors of that addition, and others do attribute the same to the Catholicks." Luther's pastor, John Bugenhagen, like Grotius, wrote of a conjectured Arian origin .
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		+	====Elzevir====
		+	[[Image:1_John_5_7-8_Elzevir_1633.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[1 John 5:7]]-[[1 John 5:8\|8]] in the [[1633 AD\|1633]] Greek New Testament of the Elzevir family]]

	====Johann Albrecht Bengel====		====Johann Albrecht Bengel====

Nick: /* Gennadius Scholarius */

Nick — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:47:14 GMT

Gennadius Scholarius

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	:"The sayings of the divine Scripture count the holy Spirit together with the Father and the Son, as [ in Matthew : " Baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the holy Spirit"], and in John's First (sc. Letter) : "'''<u>Three are those that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy Spirit</u>'''". (An abridgement of (the book) Against the Gentiles 4. XV, (p. 263 in the printed edition))		:"The sayings of the divine Scripture count the holy Spirit together with the Father and the Son, as [ in Matthew : " Baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the holy Spirit"], and in John's First (sc. Letter) : "'''<u>Three are those that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy Spirit</u>'''". (An abridgement of (the book) Against the Gentiles 4. XV, (p. 263 in the printed edition))
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		+	;Gennadius Compared to Scrivener
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		+	* 7. ...Τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τωι ουρανωι, ο Πατηρ, ο Λόγος και το Πνευμα το άγιον. (Scholarius)
		+	* 7. ...τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες εν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ Ἅγιον Πνεῦμα· (Scrivener)

	====[[John Calvin]]====		====[[John Calvin]]====

Nick: /* Gennadius Scholarius */

Nick — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:42:25 GMT

Gennadius Scholarius

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	Georgios Gennadius Scholarius ([[1400 AD\|1400]]-[[1473 AD\|1473]]) mentions the Comma in his Επιτομή κατά Εθνικων 4. XV ( p. 263 in the printed edition)[https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/georgios-gennadios-scholarios-1400s-greek-scholar-new.1818/]:		Georgios Gennadius Scholarius ([[1400 AD\|1400]]-[[1473 AD\|1473]]) mentions the Comma in his Επιτομή κατά Εθνικων 4. XV ( p. 263 in the printed edition)[https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/georgios-gennadios-scholarios-1400s-greek-scholar-new.1818/]:

-	:Πατρι δε και ~~Υιωι~~ συναριθμουσι και το Πνευμα το άγιον τα της θείας Γραφης ρητά ως~~...~~ και εν τηι Ιωάννου πρώτηι :	+	:Πατρι δε και Yιωι συναριθμουσι και το Πνευμα το άγιον τα της θείας Γραφης ρητά, ως [εν τωι κατά Ματθαιον, "Βαπτίζοντες αυτούς εις το όνομα του Πατρός και του Υιου και του αγίου Πνεύματος"] και εν τηι Ιωάννου πρώτηι, "'''<u>Τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τωι ουρανωι, ο Πατηρ, ο Λόγος και το Πνευμα το άγιον.</u>'''"
-	"'''<u>Τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τωι ουρανωι, ο Πατηρ, ο Λόγος και το Πνευμα το άγιον.</u>'''"	+

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-	:~~There~~ are ~~three~~ that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the ~~Holy~~ Spirit	+	:"The sayings of the divine Scripture count the holy Spirit together with the Father and the Son, as [ in Matthew : " Baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the holy Spirit"], and in John's First (sc. Letter) : "'''<u>Three are those that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy Spirit</u>'''". (An abridgement of (the book) Against the Gentiles 4. XV, (p. 263 in the printed edition))

	====[[John Calvin]]====		====[[John Calvin]]====

Nick: /* Gennadius Scholarius */

Nick — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:39:45 GMT

Gennadius Scholarius

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	Georgios Gennadius Scholarius ([[1400 AD\|1400]]-[[1473 AD\|1473]]) mentions the Comma in his Επιτομή κατά Εθνικων 4. XV ( p. 263 in the printed edition)[https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/georgios-gennadios-scholarios-1400s-greek-scholar-new.1818/]:		Georgios Gennadius Scholarius ([[1400 AD\|1400]]-[[1473 AD\|1473]]) mentions the Comma in his Επιτομή κατά Εθνικων 4. XV ( p. 263 in the printed edition)[https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/georgios-gennadios-scholarios-1400s-greek-scholar-new.1818/]:

-	:"Τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τωι ουρανωι, ο ~~Πατήρ~~, ο Λόγος και το ~~Πνεύμα~~ το άγιον"	+	:Πατρι δε και Υιωι συναριθμουσι και το Πνευμα το άγιον τα της θείας Γραφης ρητά ως... και εν τηι Ιωάννου πρώτηι :
		+	"'''<u>Τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τωι ουρανωι, ο Πατηρ, ο Λόγος και το Πνευμα το άγιον.</u>'''"

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