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	==Commentaries and Articles==		==Commentaries and Articles==
			Amazingly, [[Johann Albrecht Bengel]] ''knew'' that Erasmus had backtranslated the last six verses from Latin over 100 years before [[Franz Delitzsch]] found the manuscript in 1861. [[Samuel Prideaux Tregelles \|Tregelles]] had also amazingly said the same thing in 1844. How these men know this without the new ms find is remarkable.

			Tregelles said in 1844 in his section: ''The last six verses from the 1st edition of Erasmus, 1516.''

			:The last six verses of this book, (or rather perhaps the latter half of ver. 16, and the whole of the five which follow), having been supplied by Erasmus in his first edition by a retranslation from the Latin, it may be well to give them in this place, in order to show that some readings which rest solely upon this guess-work authority were not excluded by Erasmus even after he had seen the Complutensian Polyglott, and hence they are still found in the copies commonly used.

			Was the last section in Rev 22 simply torn from the ms Delitzsch found to solidify this ''speculation''?

	===Johann Albrecht Bengel===		===Johann Albrecht Bengel===
	[[Image:Johann Albrecht Bengel.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|Johann Albrecht Bengel]]		[[Image:Johann Albrecht Bengel.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|Johann Albrecht Bengel]]

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	===Scrivener===		===Scrivener===
	Scrivener said in ''A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament'' concerning Erasmus that he may have used other Greek manuscripts for Revelation:		Scrivener said in ''A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament'' concerning Erasmus that he may have used other Greek manuscripts for Revelation:
	:As Apoc. 1 was mutilated in the last six verses, Erasmus turned these into Greek from the Latin; and some portions of his self-made version, which are found (however some editors may speak vaguely) in no one known Greek manuscript whatever, still cleave to our received text ^. Besides this scanty roll, however,<u>''' he not rarely refers in his Annotations to other manuscripts he had seen in the course of his travels (e. g. on Heb. i. 3 ; Apoc. i. 4 ; viii. 13), yet too indistinctly for his allusions to be of much use to critics.'''</u> Some such readings, as alleged by him, have not been found elsewhere (e. g. Acts xxiv. 23 ; Rom. xii. 20), and may have been cited loosely from distant recollection (comp. Col. iii. 3 ; Heb. iv. 13 ; 3 Pet. iii. 1 ; <u>'''Apoc. ii. 18'''</u>). <small>A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament for the use of Biblical students by Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891; Miller, Edward, 1825-1901</small>		:<u>As Apoc. 1 was mutilated in the last six verses, Erasmus turned these into Greek from the Latin; and some portions of his self-made version, which are found (however some editors may speak vaguely) in no one known Greek manuscript whatever, still cleave to our received text</u>. Besides this scanty roll, however,<u>''' he not rarely refers in his Annotations to other manuscripts he had seen in the course of his travels (e. g. on Heb. i. 3 ; Apoc. i. 4 ; viii. 13), yet too indistinctly for his allusions to be of much use to critics.'''</u> Some such readings, as alleged by him, have not been found elsewhere (e. g. Acts xxiv. 23 ; Rom. xii. 20), and may have been cited loosely from distant recollection (comp. Col. iii. 3 ; Heb. iv. 13 ; 3 Pet. iii. 1 ; <u>'''Apoc. ii. 18'''</u>). <small>A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament for the use of Biblical students by Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891; Miller, Edward, 1825-1901</small>

	===Westcott and Hort===		===Westcott and Hort===

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	:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION		:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION

			===Marvin Vincent===
			:Erasmus's first edition was based on a very few manuscripts. Only one of these had any special value (Codex 1, Evang. Act. 1, P. 1, tenth century), and this he almost entirely neglected, indeed, professed to hold it in slight esteem. The basis of his text in the Gospels was an inferior Basle manuscript of the fifteenth century, and in the Acts and Epistles one of the thirteenth or fourteenth century. With these he collated, more or less carefully, one other manuscript of the Gospels, two in the Acts and Catholic Epistles, and three in the Pauline Epistles. None of these was earlier than the tenth century. <u>Of the Apocalypse he had but a single manuscript of the twelfth century, of which Dr. Hort says that with many individualisms and scantily attested readings, it has a large and good ancient element and ought to stand very high among secondary documents</u> (Greek Testament, Introduction, 263). Of this manuscript the last six verses were lacking. These Erasmus, who was a better Latinist than Grecian, turned from the Latin into his own Greek. Some portions of this version, which are to be found in no Greek manuscript, still appear in the Textus Receptus. ([https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/vincent_textualcriticism.html ])

	===Ezra Abbott===		===Ezra Abbott===

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	:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION		:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION

			===Ezra Abbott===
			:<u>For the Apocalypse he had only a single manuscript of the twelfth century, wanting the last six verses, which he translated into Greek from the Latin Vulgate.</u> In various other places in the Apocalypse he followed the readings of the Vulgate in opposition to the Greek, as he did in a few cases elsewhere.

			:The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge edited by Samuel Macauley Jackson, vol. 2 (New York: Funk and Wagnalls, 1908).

	===Hoskier===		===Hoskier===

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	===Westcott and Hort===		===Westcott and Hort===
	:The first edition was taken chiefly from two late Basle MSS. of the Gospels and Epistles, which are still preserved in-the University Library at Basle, and have the marks of the printer’s pages (as I observed in 1879). They date from the fourteenth or fifteenth century. Erasmus compared them with two others. <u>For the Apocalypse he had only one MS., borrowed from Reuchlin, then lost sight of, but recently found again in 1861 ;* defective on the last leaf (containing the last six verses, which he retranslated from the Vulgate into poor Greek).</u> Made in great haste, in less than six months, and full of errors. Elegant Latin version. Dedicated to Pope Leo X. Erasmus himself, aided by CEcolampadius, published five editions, with slight improvements, all Greeco-Latin. Second edition, 1519 (the		:The first edition was taken chiefly from two late Basle MSS. of the Gospels and Epistles, which are still preserved in-the University Library at Basle, and have the marks of the printer’s pages (as I observed in 1879). They date from the fourteenth or fifteenth century. Erasmus compared them with two others. <u>For the Apocalypse he had only one MS., borrowed from Reuchlin, then lost sight of, but recently found again in 1861 ;* defective on the last leaf (containing the last six verses, which he retranslated from the Vulgate into poor Greek).</u> Made in great haste, in less than six months, and full of errors. Elegant Latin version. Dedicated to Pope Leo X. Erasmus himself, aided by CEcolampadius, published five editions, with slight improvements, all Greeco-Latin. Second edition, 1519 (the basis of Luther’s translation); third, 1522; fourth, 1527; fifth, 1535; besides other editions which appeared at Venice, Strasburg, Basle, Paris, etc.
	basis of Luther’s translation); third, 1522; fourth, 1527; fifth, 1535; besides other editions which appeared at Venice, Strasburg, Basle, Paris, etc.

	:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION		:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION

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	Scrivener said in ''A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament'' concerning Erasmus that he may have used other Greek manuscripts for Revelation:		Scrivener said in ''A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament'' concerning Erasmus that he may have used other Greek manuscripts for Revelation:
	:As Apoc. 1 was mutilated in the last six verses, Erasmus turned these into Greek from the Latin; and some portions of his self-made version, which are found (however some editors may speak vaguely) in no one known Greek manuscript whatever, still cleave to our received text ^. Besides this scanty roll, however,<u>''' he not rarely refers in his Annotations to other manuscripts he had seen in the course of his travels (e. g. on Heb. i. 3 ; Apoc. i. 4 ; viii. 13), yet too indistinctly for his allusions to be of much use to critics.'''</u> Some such readings, as alleged by him, have not been found elsewhere (e. g. Acts xxiv. 23 ; Rom. xii. 20), and may have been cited loosely from distant recollection (comp. Col. iii. 3 ; Heb. iv. 13 ; 3 Pet. iii. 1 ; <u>'''Apoc. ii. 18'''</u>). <small>A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament for the use of Biblical students by Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891; Miller, Edward, 1825-1901</small>		:As Apoc. 1 was mutilated in the last six verses, Erasmus turned these into Greek from the Latin; and some portions of his self-made version, which are found (however some editors may speak vaguely) in no one known Greek manuscript whatever, still cleave to our received text ^. Besides this scanty roll, however,<u>''' he not rarely refers in his Annotations to other manuscripts he had seen in the course of his travels (e. g. on Heb. i. 3 ; Apoc. i. 4 ; viii. 13), yet too indistinctly for his allusions to be of much use to critics.'''</u> Some such readings, as alleged by him, have not been found elsewhere (e. g. Acts xxiv. 23 ; Rom. xii. 20), and may have been cited loosely from distant recollection (comp. Col. iii. 3 ; Heb. iv. 13 ; 3 Pet. iii. 1 ; <u>'''Apoc. ii. 18'''</u>). <small>A plain introduction to the criticism of the New Testament for the use of Biblical students by Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891; Miller, Edward, 1825-1901</small>

			===Westcott and Hort===
			:The first edition was taken chiefly from two late Basle MSS. of the Gospels and Epistles, which are still preserved in-the University Library at Basle, and have the marks of the printer’s pages (as I observed in 1879). They date from the fourteenth or fifteenth century. Erasmus compared them with two others. <u>For the Apocalypse he had only one MS., borrowed from Reuchlin, then lost sight of, but recently found again in 1861 ;* defective on the last leaf (containing the last six verses, which he retranslated from the Vulgate into poor Greek).</u> Made in great haste, in less than six months, and full of errors. Elegant Latin version. Dedicated to Pope Leo X. Erasmus himself, aided by CEcolampadius, published five editions, with slight improvements, all Greeco-Latin. Second edition, 1519 (the
			basis of Luther’s translation); third, 1522; fourth, 1527; fifth, 1535; besides other editions which appeared at Venice, Strasburg, Basle, Paris, etc.

			:* By Dr. Delitzsch, in the library of the princely house of Oettingen-Wallerstein. See his Handschriftliche Funde, Heft i. and ii. 1861 and 1862. lxviii INTRODUCTION TO THE AMERICAN EDITION

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	* Erasmus corresponds with Stunica		* Erasmus corresponds with Stunica
	* In 1861, Franz Delitzsch claims in a book to have found the manuscript Erasmus used.		* In 1861, Franz Delitzsch claims in a book to have found the manuscript Erasmus used.
	* Tregelles "confirms" the anecdotes of Erasmus placing doubt upon him and the Textus Receptus in Revelation.		* Evangelical Tregelles "confirms" the anecdotes of Erasmus placing doubt upon him and the Textus Receptus in Revelation.

	==Anecdotes==		==Anecdotes==

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	===Johann Albrecht Bengel===		===Johann Albrecht Bengel===
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	[[Johann Albrecht Bengel]] (24 June 1687 – 2 November 1752) questioned many things concerning Erasmus’ readings in the Book of Revelation, such as where Erasmus got his final readings if Reuchlin’s codex was defective, and why did Erasmus’ first edition differ from his latter editions? Did he conjecture? Did he use the Complutensian Polyglot? Without having the Reuchlin manuscript, he also speculated that Erasmus used marginal glosses. This was later disproven when Delitzsch apparently rediscovered the Reuchlin manuscript and printed his findings in 1861. Bengel also insisted that Erasmus had back-translated from the Latin into Greek for the last six verses. Bengel, who claimed Jesus would return on the 18th of June 1836, used these concepts to create his own teaching in Revelation for his own personal eschatological leanings. Bengel started a trend of downplaying how many manuscripts Erasmus had for his Greek text.		[[Johann Albrecht Bengel]] (24 June [[1687 AD\|1687]] – 2 November [[1752 AD\|1752]]) questioned many things concerning Erasmus’ readings in the Book of Revelation, such as where Erasmus got his final readings if Reuchlin’s codex was defective, and why did Erasmus’ first edition differ from his latter editions? Did he conjecture? Did he use the Complutensian Polyglot? Without having the Reuchlin manuscript, he also speculated that Erasmus used marginal glosses. This was later disproven when Delitzsch apparently rediscovered the Reuchlin manuscript and printed his findings in 1861. Bengel also insisted that Erasmus had back-translated from the Latin into Greek for the last six verses. Bengel, who claimed Jesus would return on the 18th of June 1836, used these concepts to create his own teaching in Revelation for his own personal eschatological leanings. Bengel started a trend of downplaying how many manuscripts Erasmus had for his Greek text.

	===[[Franz Delitzsch]]===		===[[Franz Delitzsch]]===

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