Matthew 2:11 - Revision history

Nick at 09:32, 16 February 2021

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	* '''[[Matthew 2:11 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 2:11]]''' [[2532\|Καὶ]] [[2064\|ἐλθόντες]] [[1519\|εἰς]] [[3588\|τὴν]] [[3614\|οἰκίαν]], [[2147\|εὗρον]] [[3588\|τὸ]] [[3813\|παιδίον]] [[3326\|μετὰ]] [[3137\|Μαρίας]] [[3588\|τῆς]] [[3384\|μητρὸς]] [[846\|αὐτοῦ]]· [[2532\|καὶ]] [[4098\|πεσόντες]] [[4352\|προσεκύνησαν]] [[846\|αὐτῷ]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[455\|ἀνοίξαντες]] [[3588\|τοὺς]] [[2344\|θησαυροὺς]] [[846\|αὐτῶν]], [[4374\|προσήνεγκαν]] [[846\|αὐτῷ]] [[1435\|δῶρα]] [[5557\|χρυσὸν]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3030\|λίβανον]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[4666\|σμύρναν]]. (Checked)		* '''[[Matthew 2:11 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 2:11]]''' [[2532\|Καὶ]] [[2064\|ἐλθόντες]] [[1519\|εἰς]] [[3588\|τὴν]] [[3614\|οἰκίαν]], [[2147\|εὗρον]] [[3588\|τὸ]] [[3813\|παιδίον]] [[3326\|μετὰ]] [[3137\|Μαρίας]] [[3588\|τῆς]] [[3384\|μητρὸς]] [[846\|αὐτοῦ]]· [[2532\|καὶ]] [[4098\|πεσόντες]] [[4352\|προσεκύνησαν]] [[846\|αὐτῷ]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[455\|ἀνοίξαντες]] [[3588\|τοὺς]] [[2344\|θησαυροὺς]] [[846\|αὐτῶν]], [[4374\|προσήνεγκαν]] [[846\|αὐτῷ]] [[1435\|δῶρα]] [[5557\|χρυσὸν]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[3030\|λίβανον]], [[2532\|καὶ]] [[4666\|σμύρναν]]. (Checked)

Nick at 06:57, 16 February 2021

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Nick: /* Scrivener */

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	:And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.		:And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
	Which is another example of found and seen being synonymous in certain contexts, "the mountains were not found" meaning they were no longer discoverable, visible, or able to be seen.		Which is another example of found and seen being synonymous in certain contexts, "the mountains were not found" meaning they were no longer discoverable, visible, or able to be seen.

			Luke 23:4 says:
			:Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

	To find means to discover, i.e. "to obtain the first knowledge or sight of what was before not known." But to "find, discover" something people already know about is not to "find" it, but rather "see" it. Thus the KJV translators used the correct word with see here.		To find means to discover, i.e. "to obtain the first knowledge or sight of what was before not known." But to "find, discover" something people already know about is not to "find" it, but rather "see" it. Thus the KJV translators used the correct word with see here.

Nick: /* Dort Study Bible */

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Dort Study Bible

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	Gold - king, Frankincense - priest, myrrh - death (burial)		Gold - king, Frankincense - priest, myrrh - death (burial)

			====Scrivener====
			Even though [[Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener\|Scrivener]] changed [[Theodore Beza\|Beza]]'s “[[εὗρον]]” to “[[εἶδον]],” it is of no real significance because both mean “[[invenerunt]]” in [[Latin]]. All throughout the reformation in [[Matthew 2:11]] they used “[[εἶδον]],” “[[εὗρον]],” and “[[invenerunt]]” side by side. In his Latin, [[Erasmus]] used “[[repererunt]]” (found) for “[[εὗρον]]” in [[1516 AD\|1516]], but later editions say “[[invenerunt]]”. The [[Complutensian Polyglot\|Complutensian]] used the different “[[εἶδον]],” but still had had “invenerunt” in [[Latin]].

			On Page 243 of The authorized edition of the English Bible (1611) its subsequent reprints and modern representatives by F. H. A. Scrivener Published 1884, it says that the Complutensian and the Bishops' have in place of "[[εἶδον]]" (for "[[εὗρον]]").

			The KJV translates εὗρον as 'I perceived' in "...Whom '''I perceived''' to be accused of..." in [[Acts 23:29]]. "I saw" and "I perceived" are very similar. Why wouldn't Scrivener think of changing it here also? Perhaps he is simply trying to incorporate Westcott and Hort readings into the TR.

			The concept of finding or discovering something is the act of seeing it. Many explorers found/discovered lands from their ship, but merely "saw" it and never set foot on it. A people can look into a telescope and have a new find when they simply saw something. I think the Complutensian Polyglot sided with the Latin, which is after all, a translation. Even the concept in Matthew 7:7 & 8 εὗρον is the result of seeking:

			:7 ...seek, and ye shall find; knock, and...
			:8 ...he that seeketh findeth; and...

			Also John 7:

			:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come. 35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? 36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

			In Revelation 16:20 it says:
			:And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
			Which is another example of found and seen being synonymous in certain contexts, "the mountains were not found" meaning they were no longer discoverable, visible, or able to be seen.

			To find means to discover, i.e. "to obtain the first knowledge or sight of what was before not known." But to "find, discover" something people already know about is not to "find" it, but rather "see" it. Thus the KJV translators used the correct word with see here.

			The Latin invenerunt is related to the English word invention. Middle English inventen, borrowed from Old French inventer, from Latin inventus, perfect passive participle of inveniō (“come upon, meet with, find, discover”), from in (“in, on”) + veniō (“come”); see venture. Compare advent, covent, event, prevent, etc.

			ii. II εἶδον] Compl. Col. εὗρον Bez. ''ceteri omnes''.

	==Greek==		==Greek==

Nick: /* Dutch */

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	====[[Dutch]]====		====[[Dutch]]====
	* [[~~1619~~ AD\|~~1619~~]] En in het huis gekomen zijnde, vonden zij het Kindeken met Maria, Zijn moeder, en nedervallende hebben zij Hetzelve aangebeden; en hun schatten opengedaan hebbende, brachten zij Hem geschenken: goud en wierook, en mirre.		* [[1639 AD\|1639]] En in het huis gekomen zijnde, vonden zij het Kindeken met Maria, Zijn moeder, en nedervallende hebben zij Hetzelve aangebeden; en hun schatten opengedaan hebbende, brachten zij Hem geschenken: goud en wierook, en mirre.

	====[[Esperanto]]====		====[[Esperanto]]====

Nick: /* Commentary */

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Commentary

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	[[Luke 24:24]] in the [[KJV]] has:		[[Luke 24:24]] in the [[KJV]] has:
	:And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and '''<u>found</u>''' (εὗρον) it even so as the women had said: but him they '''<u>saw</u>''' (εἶδον) not.		:And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and '''<u>found</u>''' (εὗρον) it even so as the women had said: but him they '''<u>saw</u>''' (εἶδον) not.
	~~:[[Acts 23:29]] Whom '''<u>I perceived</u>''' to be accused of questions of their law, but to have nothing laid to his charge worthy of death or of bonds.~~

	====Lectionary 1599====		[[Acts 23:29]] uses "I perceived":
			:Whom '''<u>I perceived</u>''' to be accused of questions of their law, but to have nothing laid to his charge worthy of death or of bonds.

			====[[Lectionary 1599]]====
	[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Lectionary_1599.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 800-900's [https://goodspeed.lib.uchicago.edu/view/index.php?doc=0128&obj=259#?c=&m=&s=&cv=290&xywh=-21%2C828%2C3986%2C2040 Lectionary 1599].]]		[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Lectionary_1599.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 800-900's [https://goodspeed.lib.uchicago.edu/view/index.php?doc=0128&obj=259#?c=&m=&s=&cv=290&xywh=-21%2C828%2C3986%2C2040 Lectionary 1599].]]

	====Minuscule 2====		====[[Minuscule 2]]====
	[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Minuscule_2.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 11th or 12th century manuscript [[minuscule 2]].[http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/manuscript-workspace?docID=30002].]]		[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Minuscule_2.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 11th or 12th century manuscript [[minuscule 2]].[http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/manuscript-workspace?docID=30002].]]
	[[Minuscule 2]], an 11th or 12th century manuscript, was used by Erasmus for his first edition of the Greek New Testament ''[[Novum Instrumentum omne]]''. ειδον is the main reading, but it has ευρον in the margin in different ink, along with an underline of the main ειδον in the same ink.		[[Minuscule 2]], an 11th or 12th century manuscript, was used by Erasmus for his first edition of the Greek New Testament ''[[Novum Instrumentum omne]]''. ειδον is the main reading, but it has ευρον in the margin in different ink, along with an underline of the main ειδον in the same ink.

			====[[Minuscule 474]]====
			According to the NA26, p. 4. Matthew 2:11 it reads ευρον for ειδον.

	====Erasmus====		====Erasmus====

Nick: /* Commentary */

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Commentary

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	The verb εὗρον, (heûron), is a first-person singular/third-person plural aorist active indicative of εὑρίσκω (heurískō)		The verb εὗρον, (heûron), is a first-person singular/third-person plural aorist active indicative of εὑρίσκω (heurískō)

	Luke 24:24 in the KJV has:		[[Luke 24:24]] in the [[KJV]] has:
	:And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and '''<u>found</u>''' (εὗρον) it even so as the women had said: but him they '''<u>saw</u>''' (εἶδον) not.		:And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and '''<u>found</u>''' (εὗρον) it even so as the women had said: but him they '''<u>saw</u>''' (εἶδον) not.
			:[[Acts 23:29]] Whom '''<u>I perceived</u>''' to be accused of questions of their law, but to have nothing laid to his charge worthy of death or of bonds.

	====Lectionary 1599====		====Lectionary 1599====

Nick: /* Commentary */

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Commentary

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	The verb εὗρον, (heûron), is a first-person singular/third-person plural aorist active indicative of εὑρίσκω (heurískō)		The verb εὗρον, (heûron), is a first-person singular/third-person plural aorist active indicative of εὑρίσκω (heurískō)

			Luke 24:24 in the KJV has:
			:And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and '''<u>found</u>''' (εὗρον) it even so as the women had said: but him they '''<u>saw</u>''' (εἶδον) not.

	====Lectionary 1599====		====Lectionary 1599====

Nick: /* Theodore Beza */

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Theodore Beza

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	So all throughout the reformation in Matthew 2:11 they used "εἶδον", "εὗρον", and "invenerunt" side by side synonymously. [[Erasmus]] used "repererunt" (found) for "εὗρον" in [[1516 AD\|1516]], but later editions say "invenerunt". The [[Complutensian Polyglot\|Complutensian]] used the different "εἶδον" but still had had "invenerunt" in [[Latin]].		So all throughout the reformation in Matthew 2:11 they used "εἶδον", "εὗρον", and "invenerunt" side by side synonymously. [[Erasmus]] used "repererunt" (found) for "εὗρον" in [[1516 AD\|1516]], but later editions say "invenerunt". The [[Complutensian Polyglot\|Complutensian]] used the different "εἶδον" but still had had "invenerunt" in [[Latin]].

	So even though [[Scrivener]] changes the "εὗρον" in "εἶδον" it is of no significance because both mean "invenerunt" in [[Latin]]. I think because people tended to gravitate towards a strict number definitions when writing dictionaries, perhaps "εἶδον" became primarily "found" as is the modern Greek today, and the second meaning was lost.		So even though [[Scrivener]] changes the "εὗρον" to "εἶδον" it is of no significance because both mean "invenerunt" in [[Latin]]. I think because people tended to gravitate towards a strict number definitions when writing dictionaries, perhaps "εἶδον" became primarily "found" as is the modern Greek today, and the second meaning was lost.

	Many footnotes appear as the following:		Many footnotes appear as the following:

Nick: /* Minuscule 2 */

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	====Minuscule 2====		====Minuscule 2====
	[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Minuscule_2.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 11th or 12th century manuscript [[minuscule 2]].[http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/manuscript-workspace?docID=30002].]]		[[Image:Matthew_2_11_Minuscule_2.JPG\|250px\|thumb\|right\|Matthew 2:11 in [[Greek]] in the 11th or 12th century manuscript [[minuscule 2]].[http://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/manuscript-workspace?docID=30002].]]
			[[Minuscule 2]], an 11th or 12th century manuscript, was used by Erasmus for his first edition of the Greek New Testament ''[[Novum Instrumentum omne]]''. ειδον is the main reading, but it has ευρον in the margin in different ink, along with an underline of the main ειδον in the same ink.

	====Erasmus====		====Erasmus====