Luke 23:34 - Revision history

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	[[image:James White Video Luke 23.jpg\|300px\|center\|thumb\|<center><big>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0deEwz_BhvI Watch this new video exposing James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries concerning Luke 23:34]</big></center>]]		[[image:James White Video Luke 23.jpg\|300px\|center\|thumb\|<center><big>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0deEwz_BhvI Watch this new video exposing James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries concerning Luke 23:34]</big></center>]]
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	* '''[[Luke 23:34 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:34]]''' [[3588\|ὁ]] [[1161\|δὲ]] [[2424\|Ἰησοῦς]] [[3004\|ἔλεγε]], [[3962\|Πάτερ]], [[863\|ἄφες]] [[846\|αὐτοῖς]]· [[3756\|οὐ]] [[1063\|γὰρ]] [[1492\|οἴδασι]] [[5101\|τί]] [[4160\|ποιοῦσι]]. [[1266\|διαμεριζόμενοι]] [[1161\|δὲ]] [[3588\|τὰ]] [[2440\|ἱμάτια]] [[846\|αὐτοῦ]], [[906\|ἔβαλον]] [[2819\|κλῆρον]].		* '''[[Luke 23:34 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΚΑΤΑ ΛΟΥΚΑΝ 23:34]]''' [[3588\|ὁ]] [[1161\|δὲ]] [[2424\|Ἰησοῦς]] [[3004\|ἔλεγε]], [[3962\|Πάτερ]], [[863\|ἄφες]] [[846\|αὐτοῖς]]· [[3756\|οὐ]] [[1063\|γὰρ]] [[1492\|οἴδασι]] [[5101\|τί]] [[4160\|ποιοῦσι]]. [[1266\|διαμεριζόμενοι]] [[1161\|δὲ]] [[3588\|τὰ]] [[2440\|ἱμάτια]] [[846\|αὐτοῦ]], [[906\|ἔβαλον]] [[2819\|κλῆρον]].

Nick: /* Greek */

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	====Stephanus ([[Robert Estienne]])====		====Stephanus ([[Robert Estienne]])====
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Nick: /* English Translations */

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English Translations

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	* [[1549 AD\|1549]] Then said Iesus: father forgeue them, for they wote not what they do. And they parted his rayment, and cast lottes. ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])		* [[1549 AD\|1549]] Then said Iesus: father forgeue them, for they wote not what they do. And they parted his rayment, and cast lottes. ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])
			[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible 1557.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1557 Geneva Bible]]
	* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])		* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible ~~1537~~.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1560 Geneva Bible]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible 1560.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1560 Geneva Bible]]
	* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition		* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Bishops 1568.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1568 Bishops' Bible]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Bishops 1568.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1568 Bishops' Bible]]

Nick: /* Commentary */

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Commentary

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	:For they know not what they do. Comp. Acts 3:17. This is the motive, not the ground, for forgiveness. Ignorance may diminish guilt, but does not remove it, else no prayer for forgiveness would be needed. It is one design of this record, showing us the forgiving love of our Lord as He died for the sins of men, to awaken in men, through the application of it by the Holy Spirit, a knowledge of what they do as sinners in nailing Him to the cross, that they may repent and be forgiven for His sake. The prayer is only for those who in some way help in the great crime. Those who deny that they are sinners deny that it is for them.—The whole prayer is omitted in a few manuscripts, but it is regarded as genuine by all modem critics.<sup>Schaff, Philip. 1879-90.</sup>		:For they know not what they do. Comp. Acts 3:17. This is the motive, not the ground, for forgiveness. Ignorance may diminish guilt, but does not remove it, else no prayer for forgiveness would be needed. It is one design of this record, showing us the forgiving love of our Lord as He died for the sins of men, to awaken in men, through the application of it by the Holy Spirit, a knowledge of what they do as sinners in nailing Him to the cross, that they may repent and be forgiven for His sake. The prayer is only for those who in some way help in the great crime. Those who deny that they are sinners deny that it is for them.—The whole prayer is omitted in a few manuscripts, but it is regarded as genuine by all modem critics.<sup>Schaff, Philip. 1879-90.</sup>

			====Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers====
			:(34) Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.--Again, the silence is broken, not by the cry of anguish or sigh of passionate complaint, but by words of tenderest pity and intercession. It is well, however, that we should remember who were the primary direct objects of that prayer. Not Pilate, for he knew that he had condemned the innocent; not the chief priests and scribes, for their sin, too, was against light and knowledge. Those for whom our Lord then prayed were clearly the soldiers who nailed Him to the cross, to whom the work was but that which they were, as they deemed, bound to do as part of their duty. It is, however, legitimate to think of His intercession as including, in its ultimate extension, all who in any measure sin against God as not knowing what they do, who speak or act against the Son of Man without being guilty of the sin against the Holy Ghost. (See Note on Acts 3:17.)

			====Expositor's Greek Testament====
			:Luke 23:34. Πάτερ, etc.: a prayer altogether true to the spirit of Jesus, therefore, though reported by Lk. alone, intrinsically credible. It is with sincere regret that one is compelled, by its omission in important MSS., to regard its genuineness as subject to a certain amount of doubt. In favour of it is its conformity with the whole aim of Lk. in his Gospel, which is to exhibit the graciousness of Jesus.—διαμεριζόμενοι, etc., and parting His garments they cast lots = they divided His garments by casting lots.

	====The Expositor's Greek Testament====		====The Expositor's Greek Testament====

Nick at 13:03, 2 January 2018

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	====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====		====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|~~1516~~ Erasmus Greek]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1519 Erasmus Greek]]
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	* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]		* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516 Latin.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|~~1516~~ Erasmus Latin]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516 Latin.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1519 Erasmus Latin]]
	* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)		* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)

Nick: /* Latin */

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	* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]		* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]
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	* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)		* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)

Nick: /* Greek */

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	====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====		====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====
			[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1516 Erasmus Greek]]
	* [[1516 AD\|1516]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 1st [[Novum Instrumentum omne]])		* [[1516 AD\|1516]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 1st [[Novum Instrumentum omne]])
	* [[1519 AD\|1519]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 2nd)		* [[1519 AD\|1519]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 2nd)

Nick: /* Oecumenius */

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Oecumenius

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	In Asia Minor, Oecumenius, 600 A.D. penned his commentary on Revelation. Under Revelation 7, Oecumenius cites the sentence and mentions:		In Asia Minor, Oecumenius, 600 A.D. penned his commentary on Revelation. Under Revelation 7, Oecumenius cites the sentence and mentions:
	:“Although Cyril, in the thirteenth book of Against Julian, says that this prayer of the Lord is not found in the Gospels, we use it nevertheless.”		:“Although Cyril, in the thirteenth book of Against Julian, says that this prayer of the Lord is not found in the Gospels, we use it nevertheless.”

			Cyril of Alexandria seems to be the only writer who questions the reading.

	====Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament====		====Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament====

Nick: /* Pseudo-Clementines */

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	"For the Teacher Himself, being nailed to the cross, prayed to the Father that the sin of those who slew Him might be forgiven, saying, "'''<u>Father, forgive them their sins, for they know not what they do.</u>'''" They also therefore, being imitators of the Teacher in their sufferings, pray for those who contrive them, as they have been taught." <sup>(Clementine Homilies," Homily XI, Ch. 20, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 8).</sup>		"For the Teacher Himself, being nailed to the cross, prayed to the Father that the sin of those who slew Him might be forgiven, saying, "'''<u>Father, forgive them their sins, for they know not what they do.</u>'''" They also therefore, being imitators of the Teacher in their sufferings, pray for those who contrive them, as they have been taught." <sup>(Clementine Homilies," Homily XI, Ch. 20, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 8).</sup>

	~~Many modern textual critics are divided as to whether~~ this ~~verse should be considered scripture or~~ not.		====Oecumenius====
			In Asia Minor, Oecumenius, 600 A.D. penned his commentary on Revelation. Under Revelation 7, Oecumenius cites the sentence and mentions:
			:“Although Cyril, in the thirteenth book of Against Julian, says that this prayer of the Lord is not found in the Gospels, we use it nevertheless.”

	====Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament====		====Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament====

Nick: /* Ambrose The Prayer of Job and David */

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Ambrose The Prayer of Job and David

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	====Ambrose The Prayer of Job and David====		====Ambrose The Prayer of Job and David====
	Ambrose (340-397 A.D.) in the 4th century: The Prayer of Job and David:		Ambrose (340-397 A.D.) in the 4th century: The Prayer of Job and David:
	:"Indeed, had they known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of majesty and would never still be pursuing their Jewish follies. They, then, are the ones who know not. For this reason also the Lord Jesus says in the Gospel, "'''<u>Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.</u>'''" [http://books.google.com/books?id=A7a3JIUGbcEC&pg=PA336]		:"Indeed, had they known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of majesty and would never still be pursuing their Jewish follies. They, then, are the ones who know not. For this reason also the Lord Jesus says in the Gospel, "'''<u>Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.</u>'''" [http://books.google.com/books?id=A7a3JIUGbcEC&pg=PA336]<sup>(Commentary on Job, cites this passage twice (in 2:6 and 5:12))</sup>

	====Chrysostom====		====Chrysostom====

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	* [[1549 AD\|1549]] Then said Iesus: father forgeue them, for they wote not what they do. And they parted his rayment, and cast lottes. ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])		* [[1549 AD\|1549]] Then said Iesus: father forgeue them, for they wote not what they do. And they parted his rayment, and cast lottes. ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])
			[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible 1557.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1557 Geneva Bible]]
	* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])		* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible ~~1537~~.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1560 Geneva Bible]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Geneva Bible 1560.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1560 Geneva Bible]]
	* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition		* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Bishops 1568.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1568 Bishops' Bible]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Bishops 1568.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1568 Bishops' Bible]]

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	====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====		====[[Desiderius Erasmus]]====
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|~~1516~~ Erasmus Greek]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1519 Erasmus Greek]]
	* [[1516 AD\|1516]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 1st [[Novum Instrumentum omne]])		* [[1516 AD\|1516]] ([[Desiderius Erasmus\|Erasmus]] 1st [[Novum Instrumentum omne]])
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	* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]		* Iesus autem dicebat Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt dividentes vero vestimenta eius miserunt sortes [[Latin Vulgate]]
	[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516 Latin.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|~~1516~~ Erasmus Latin]]		[[Image:Luke 23.34 Erasmus 1516 Latin.JPG\|thumb\|right\|250px\|1519 Erasmus Latin]]
	* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)		* [[1527 AD\|1527]] (Erasmus 1527)