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	==External links==		==External links==
	* [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/OTtools/LamsaOT.htm Lamsa Old Testament] / [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/dr_george_lamsa_bible.htm Lamsa New Testament]		* [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/OTtools/LamsaOT.htm Lamsa Old Testament] / [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/dr_george_lamsa_bible.htm Lamsa New Testament]

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	Formally titled ''The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts'', the '''''Lamsa Bible''''' (which it is commonly called, after its editor, [[George M. Lamsa]]) first appeared in [[1933]]. It was derived, both [[Old Testament\|Old]] and [[New Testament]]s, from the [[Syriac language\|Syriac]] [[Peshitta]], the [[Bible]] used by the [[Assyrian Church of the East]] and other [[Syriac Christianity\|Syriac Christian]] traditions.		Formally titled ''The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts'', the '''''Lamsa Bible''''' (which it is commonly called, after its editor, [[George Lamsa\|George M. Lamsa]]) first appeared in [[1933]]. It was derived, both [[Old Testament\|Old]] and [[New Testament]]s, from the [[Syriac language\|Syriac]] [[Peshitta]], the [[Bible]] used by the [[Assyrian Church of the East]] and other [[Syriac Christianity\|Syriac Christian]] traditions.

	Lamsa claimed [[Aramaic primacy]], against the academic mainstream opinion of the origin of [[New Testament]] texts, and thus claimed his translation was superior to texts based on older Greek manuscripts. Lamsa's translation technique was highly criticised by academics when the book was first published. Translating difficult passages in the Peshitta, Lamsa appears to fall back on the English [[King James Version of the Bible]].		Lamsa claimed [[Aramaic primacy]], against the academic mainstream opinion of the origin of [[New Testament]] texts, and thus claimed his translation was superior to texts based on older Greek manuscripts. Lamsa's translation technique was highly criticised by academics when the book was first published. Translating difficult passages in the Peshitta, Lamsa appears to fall back on the English [[King James Version of the Bible]].

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	ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />		ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />
	ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />		ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />
	ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}</blockquote>		ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ</blockquote>

	As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word σαβαχθανι (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic שבקתני (''šḇaqtan(î)'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ܫܒܩܬܢܝ (''šḇaqtan(î)''), in the Peshitta. The root ܫܒܩ has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.		As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word σαβαχθανι (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic שבקתני (''šḇaqtan(î)'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ܫܒܩܬܢܝ (''šḇaqtan(î)''), in the Peshitta. The root ܫܒܩ has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.

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	~~{{lang\|syr\|~~ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />		ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />
	ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />		ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />
	ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}</blockquote>		ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}</blockquote>

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	{{lang\|syr\|ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />		{{lang\|syr\|ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ<br />
	ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />		ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ<br />
	ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}		ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}</blockquote>
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	As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word σαβαχθανι (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic שבקתני (''šḇaqtan(î)'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ܫܒܩܬܢܝ (''šḇaqtan(î)''), in the Peshitta. The root ܫܒܩ has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.		As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word σαβαχθανι (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic שבקתני (''šḇaqtan(î)'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ܫܒܩܬܢܝ (''šḇaqtan(î)''), in the Peshitta. The root ܫܒܩ has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.

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	Some places in the Lamsa Bible differ greatly from other English-language Bibles. The most controversial of the Bible's rendering is in [[Gospel of Matthew\|Matthew]].		Some places in the Lamsa Bible differ greatly from other English-language Bibles. The most controversial of the Bible's rendering is in [[Gospel of Matthew\|Matthew]].

	~~{{bibleref\|~~Matthew\|27:46}} is rendered in the KJV:		[[Matthew 27:46]] is rendered in the KJV:

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	In contrast, ~~{{bibleref\|~~Matthew\|27:46}} is rendered in the Lamsa Bible:		In contrast, [[Matthew 27:46]] is rendered in the Lamsa Bible:

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	As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word ~~{{lang\|el\|~~σαβαχθανι}} (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic ~~{{lang\|arc\|~~שבקתני}} (''~~{{unicode\|~~šḇaqtan(î)}}'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ~~{{lang\|syr\|~~ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}} (''~~{{unicode\|~~šḇaqtan(î)}}''), in the Peshitta. The root ~~{{lang\|syr\|~~ܫܒܩ}} has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.		As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word σαβαχθανι (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic שבקתני (''šḇaqtan(î)'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, ܫܒܩܬܢܝ (''šḇaqtan(î)''), in the Peshitta. The root ܫܒܩ has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.

	See the discussions in [[George Lamsa]] and [[Words of Jesus on the cross]], section "Eli Eli lema sabachthani".		See the discussions in [[George Lamsa]] and [[Words of Jesus on the cross]], section "Eli Eli lema sabachthani".

Nick: New page: Formally titled ''The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts'', the '''''Lamsa Bible''''' (which it is commonly called, after its editor, George M. Lamsa) first appeared in [[1933...

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New page: Formally titled ''The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts'', the '''''Lamsa Bible''''' (which it is commonly called, after its editor, George M. Lamsa) first appeared in [[1933...

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Formally titled ''The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts'', the '''''Lamsa Bible''''' (which it is commonly called, after its editor, [[George M. Lamsa]]) first appeared in [[1933]]. It was derived, both [[Old Testament|Old]] and [[New Testament]]s, from the [[Syriac language|Syriac]] [[Peshitta]], the [[Bible]] used by the [[Assyrian Church of the East]] and other [[Syriac Christianity|Syriac Christian]] traditions.

Lamsa claimed [[Aramaic primacy]], against the academic mainstream opinion of the origin of [[New Testament]] texts, and thus claimed his translation was superior to texts based on older Greek manuscripts. Lamsa's translation technique was highly criticised by academics when the book was first published. Translating difficult passages in the Peshitta, Lamsa appears to fall back on the English [[King James Version of the Bible]].

The Peshitta, like the various [[English language]] Bibles, was translated from earlier [[Koine Greek|Greek]] and [[Hebrew language|Hebrew]] manuscripts. The New Testament translators of the King James Version, for example, used an edition of [[Erasmus]]' Greek [[Textus Receptus]]. However, a minority argue for [[Aramaic primacy]] of the New Testament text.

==Discrepancies==
Some places in the Lamsa Bible differ greatly from other English-language Bibles. The most controversial of the Bible's rendering is in [[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]].

{{bibleref|Matthew|27:46}} is rendered in the KJV:

<blockquote>
And about the ninth hour 
[[Jesus]] cried with a loud voice, saying, 
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? 
that is to say, 
My [[God]], my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
</blockquote>

In contrast, {{bibleref|Matthew|27:46}} is rendered in the Lamsa Bible:

<blockquote>
And about the ninth hour, 
Jesus cried out with a loud voice and said, 
Eli, Eli lemana shabakthan! 
My God, my God, for this I was spared!
</blockquote>

The text of this verse in the Peshitta in Syriac reads:

<blockquote>
{{lang|syr|ܘܠܐܦ̈ܝ ܬܫܥ ܫܥ̈ܝܢ 
ܩܥܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܒܩܠܐ ܪܡܐ ܘܐܡܪ 
ܐܝܠ ܐܝܠ ܠܡܢܐ ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}}
</blockquote>

As can be seen, the Peshitta conflates the words spoken by Jesus and their translation, as given in the earlier Greek manuscripts, into a single line. The Greek word {{lang|el|σαβαχθανι}} (''sabachthani'') is a reasonable [[transliteration]] of the Aramaic {{lang|arc|שבקתני}} (''{{unicode|šḇaqtan(î)}}'', where the final ''î'' was not pronounced in all varieties). This word appears exactly the same, {{lang|syr|ܫܒܩܬܢܝ}} (''{{unicode|šḇaqtan(î)}}''), in the Peshitta. The root {{lang|syr|ܫܒܩ}} has the basic meaning of 'to leave, go away, leave behind, allow, send away, forgive, desert, forsake'.

See the discussions in [[George Lamsa]] and [[Words of Jesus on the cross]], section "Eli Eli lema sabachthani".

==External links==
* [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/OTtools/LamsaOT.htm Lamsa Old Testament] / [http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/dr_george_lamsa_bible.htm Lamsa New Testament]