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	[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of [[John 1:1]] as		[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of [[John 1:1]] as

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Nick at 10:57, 9 March 2013

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	The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.		The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.

	Another source was Dr Julius Mantey, who refutes their translation saying: ''‘They have forgotten entirely what the (word) order of the sentence indicates that the “ [[3056\|λογος]]” (“logos” or “Word” in English) has the same substance, nature or essence as the Father. To indicate that Jesus was “a god” would need a completely different construction in the [[Greek]]. They misquoted me in support of their translation. More than 99% of all Greek scholars and Bible translators in the world disagree with JWs.’''		Another source was Dr Julius Mantey, who refutes their translation saying:

			::''‘They have forgotten entirely what the (word) order of the sentence indicates that the “ [[3056\|λογος]]” (“logos” or “Word” in English) has the same substance, nature or essence as the Father. To indicate that Jesus was “a god” would need a completely different construction in the [[Greek]]. They misquoted me in support of their translation. More than 99% of all Greek scholars and Bible translators in the world disagree with JWs.’''

	==‘a god’ refuted by most Greek scholars==		==‘a god’ refuted by most Greek scholars==

Nick at 13:29, 23 July 2011

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	[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of John 1:1 as "...''and the word was a god''" The [[New World Translation]] (NWT) translates the first ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ in John 1:1 as ‘God’, and the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’. In the Greek, there is a definite article ‘the’ (‘ό ’) before the first occurrence of God (ό ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ = the God). However, there is no definite article ‘the’ before the second occurrence of ‘God’. The Jehovah's Witnesses falsly claim that, when a noun has a definite article (like ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’), it points to an identity or personality, such as the person of [[Jehovah]] God. Also that the same phrase (‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’) is never used of Jesus Christ in the NT (Watchtower, 1 July 86, p31). (Note: ‘ό θεος’ is used of Christ in [[Matthew 1:23]], [[John 20:28]] and [[Hebrews 1:8]]). Also that when a singular predicate noun has no definite article, and it occurs before a verb (as theos in John 1:1c), then it points to a quality about someone, so that here it says that Jesus (the Word) has a divine quality, but is not God Almighty ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p.1139).		[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of [[John 1:1]] as "...''and the word was a god''" The [[New World Translation]] (NWT) translates the first ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ in [[John 1:1]] as ‘God’, and the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’. In the [[Greek]], there is a [[definite article]] ‘the’ (‘ό ’) before the first occurrence of God (ό ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ = the God). However, there is no [[definite article]] ‘the’ before the second occurrence of ‘God’. The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] falsly claim that, when a [[noun]] has a [[definite article]] (like ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’), it points to an identity or personality, such as the person of [[Jehovah]] God. Also that the same phrase (‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’) is never used of [[Jesus Christ]] in the [[NT]] (Watchtower, 1 July 86, p31). (Note: ‘ό θεος’ is used of Christ in [[Matthew 1:23]], [[John 20:28]] and [[Hebrews 1:8]]). Also that when a singular predicate noun has no definite article, and it occurs before a verb (as theos in John 1:1c), then it points to a quality about someone, so that here it says that Jesus (the Word) has a divine quality, but is not God Almighty ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p.1139).

	The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.		The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.

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	Every [[Greek]] scholar in the world is against the [[NWT]] translation of [[John 1:1]] ‘the word		Every [[Greek]] scholar in the world is against the [[NWT]] translation of [[John 1:1]] ‘the word
	was a god’. Examples include: ~~<br>~~		was a god’. Examples include:

	* '''M.R.Vincent''': ‘The [[3056\|λογος]] (logos) of John is the real personal God’.(Word Studies in Gk N,T, p.383)		* '''M.R.Vincent''': ‘The [[3056\|λογος]] (logos) of John is the real personal God’.(Word Studies in Gk N,T, p.383)

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	JWs claim that, because the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (theos) has no definite article, we should translate it as ‘a god’. ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p 1139). Yet the NWT used ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ with no article as ‘God’ four times in John 1:6, 12, 13, 18		JWs claim that, because the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (theos) has no definite article, we should translate it as ‘a god’. ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p 1139). Yet the NWT used ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ with no article as ‘God’ four times in John 1:6, 12, 13, 18

	If the NWT was consistent, they should translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’ in these cases too:~~<br>~~		If the NWT was consistent, they should translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’ in these cases too
	v. 6 ‘There was a man sent from a god.’
	~~<br>~~v.12 ‘to them gave he power to become the children of a god.’		:v. 6 ‘There was a man sent from a god.’
	~~<br>~~v.13 ‘nor of the will of man, but of a god.’		:v.12 ‘to them gave he power to become the children of a god.’
	~~<br>~~v.18 ‘no man hath seen a god at any time.’		:v.13 ‘nor of the will of man, but of a god.’
	~~<br>~~This is clearly wrong and ridiculous. Why only in verse one do they refuse to translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘God’? Because they don’t want Christ to be Jehovah God. The Watchtower’s mistranslation of John 1:1 is not supported by any [[Greek]] grammar textbook.		:v.18 ‘no man hath seen a god at any time.’

			This is clearly wrong and ridiculous. Why only in verse one do they refuse to translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘God’? Because they don’t want Christ to be Jehovah God. The Watchtower’s mistranslation of John 1:1 is not supported by any [[Greek]] grammar textbook.

	Many other verses have ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ + no article, and yet are correctly translated as ‘God’, such as [[Matthew 5:9]]; [[Matthew 6:24\|6:24]]; [[Luke 1:35]], [[Luke 1:78]]; [[Luke 2:40]]; [[John 3:2]], [[John 3:21\|21]]; [[John 9:16\|9:16]], [[John 9:33\|33]]; [[1 Corinthians 1:30]]; [[1 Corinthians 15:10\|15:10]]; [[Philippians 2:11]], [[Philippians 2:13\|2:13]]; [[Titus 1:1]]; [[Romans 1:17]], [[Romans 1:18\|18]].		Many other verses have ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ + no article, and yet are correctly translated as ‘God’, such as [[Matthew 5:9]]; [[Matthew 6:24\|6:24]]; [[Luke 1:35]], [[Luke 1:78]]; [[Luke 2:40]]; [[John 3:2]], [[John 3:21\|21]]; [[John 9:16\|9:16]], [[John 9:33\|33]]; [[1 Corinthians 1:30]]; [[1 Corinthians 15:10\|15:10]]; [[Philippians 2:11]], [[Philippians 2:13\|2:13]]; [[Titus 1:1]]; [[Romans 1:17]], [[Romans 1:18\|18]].
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	:ii) [[Matthew 1:23]].		:ii) [[Matthew 1:23]].
	:iii) [[Hebrews 1:8]].		:iii) [[Hebrews 1:8]].
	:Hence, the same word ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’ (ho theos) used of the Father is also used of Christ.
			Hence, the same word ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’ (ho theos) used of the Father is also used of Christ.

	JWs say that Jesus is ‘a god’. [[Jehovah]] disagrees with them in [[Isaiah 44:8]] by saying:		JWs say that Jesus is ‘a god’. [[Jehovah]] disagrees with them in [[Isaiah 44:8]] by saying:

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	* '''A.T.Robertson''': ‘the Word was God, of Divine nature; not “a god”.’(Expositors Gk Testment, p.684)		* '''A.T.Robertson''': ‘the Word was God, of Divine nature; not “a god”.’(Expositors Gk Testment, p.684)

	* '''[[Spiros Zodhiates]]''': ‘In [[John 1:1]], Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate state is called the		* '''[[Spiros Zodhiates]]''': ‘In [[John 1:1]], Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate state is called the Word, presenting as the second person of the Godhead.’ (NT Word Study Dictionary, p 935)
	Word, presenting as the second person of the Godhead.’ (NT Word Study Dictionary, p 935)

	* '''W.E.Vine''': ‘the [[3056\|λογος]] (logos), the Word, the personal manifestation, not of a part of the divine nature, but of the whole deity.’ (Complete Expository Dictionary of NT Words, p683)		* '''W.E.Vine''': ‘the [[3056\|λογος]] (logos), the Word, the personal manifestation, not of a part of the divine nature, but of the whole deity.’ (Complete Expository Dictionary of NT Words, p683)


	JWs claim that, because the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (theos) has no definite article, we should		JWs claim that, because the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (theos) has no definite article, we should translate it as ‘a god’. ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p 1139). Yet the NWT used ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ with no article as ‘God’ four times in John 1:6, 12, 13, 18
	translate it as ‘a god’. ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p 1139). Yet the NWT used ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ with no article as ‘God’ four times in John 1:6, 12, 13, 18

	If the NWT was consistent, they should translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’ in these cases too:<br>		If the NWT was consistent, they should translate ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’ in these cases too:<br>
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	Contrary to the Watchtower claim, ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (God) with the definite article (‘ό’) is used of Jesus Christ in the [[New Testament]]:		Contrary to the Watchtower claim, ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ (God) with the definite article (‘ό’) is used of Jesus Christ in the [[New Testament]]:
	~~<br>~~i) [[John 20:28]].		:i) [[John 20:28]].
	~~<br>~~ii) [[Matthew 1:23]].		:ii) [[Matthew 1:23]].
	~~<br>~~iii) [[Hebrews 1:8]].		:iii) [[Hebrews 1:8]].
	~~<br>~~Hence, the same word ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’ (ho theos) used of the Father is also used of Christ.		:Hence, the same word ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’ (ho theos) used of the Father is also used of Christ.

	JWs say that Jesus is ‘a god’. [[Jehovah]] disagrees with them in [[Isaiah 44:8]] by saying:		JWs say that Jesus is ‘a god’. [[Jehovah]] disagrees with them in [[Isaiah 44:8]] by saying:

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	[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of John 1:1 as "...''and the word was a god''" The [[New World Translation]] (NWT) translates the first ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ in John 1:1 as ‘God’, and the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’. In the Greek, there is a definite article ‘the’ (‘ό ’) before the first occurrence of God (ό ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ = the God). However, there is no definite article ‘the’ before the second occurrence of ‘God’. The Jehovah's Witnesses falsly claim that, when a noun has a definite article (like ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’), it points to an identity or personality, such as the person of Jehovah God. Also that the same phrase (‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’) is never used of Jesus Christ in the NT (Watchtower, 1 July 86, p31). (Note: ‘ό θεος’ is used of Christ in Matthew 1:23, John 20:28 and Hebrews 1:8). Also that when a singular predicate noun has no definite article, and it occurs before a verb (as theos in John 1:1c), then it points to a quality about someone, so that here it says that Jesus (the Word) has a divine quality, but is not God Almighty ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p.1139).		[[John 1:1]] has been perverted by the cult of the [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] who render part of John 1:1 as "...''and the word was a god''" The [[New World Translation]] (NWT) translates the first ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ in John 1:1 as ‘God’, and the second ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ as ‘a god’. In the Greek, there is a definite article ‘the’ (‘ό ’) before the first occurrence of God (ό ‘[[2316\|θεος]]’ = the God). However, there is no definite article ‘the’ before the second occurrence of ‘God’. The Jehovah's Witnesses falsly claim that, when a noun has a definite article (like ‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’), it points to an identity or personality, such as the person of [[Jehovah]] God. Also that the same phrase (‘ό [[2316\|θεος]]’) is never used of Jesus Christ in the NT (Watchtower, 1 July 86, p31). (Note: ‘ό θεος’ is used of Christ in [[Matthew 1:23]], [[John 20:28]] and [[Hebrews 1:8]]). Also that when a singular predicate noun has no definite article, and it occurs before a verb (as theos in John 1:1c), then it points to a quality about someone, so that here it says that Jesus (the Word) has a divine quality, but is not God Almighty ([[Kingdom Interlinear Translation\|KIT]], p.1139).

	The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.		The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] believe Jesus is ‘a god’, i.e. not the God ([[Jehovah]]), but rather [[Michael the Archangel]]. To support this false doctrine by redering [[John 1:1]] as ‘a god’, they quote: [[Johannes Greber]] [[New Testament]] (1937), a spiritist who claimed that spirits helped him translate the [[New Testament]] (Watchtower, 15 September 62, p.554; 15 October 73, p.640). The [[Jehovah's Witnesses]] knew he was a spiritist in 1956 (Watchtower, 15 February 1956, p 110, 111), yet they still quoted him.
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	* '''A.T.Robertson''': ‘the Word was God, of Divine nature; not “a god”.’(Expositors Gk Testment, p.684)		* '''A.T.Robertson''': ‘the Word was God, of Divine nature; not “a god”.’(Expositors Gk Testment, p.684)

	* '''[[Spiros Zodhiates]]''': ‘In John 1:1, Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate state is called the		* '''[[Spiros Zodhiates]]''': ‘In [[John 1:1]], Jesus Christ in His pre-incarnate state is called the
	Word, presenting as the second person of the Godhead.’ (NT Word Study Dictionary, p 935)		Word, presenting as the second person of the Godhead.’ (NT Word Study Dictionary, p 935)