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			====Jesus or Joshua====
			* Which also our fathers that came after brought in with '''<u>Jesus</u>''' into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; ([[KJV]]) Acts 7:45

			* For if '''<u>Jesus</u>''' had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. ([[KJV]]) [[Hebrews 4:8]]

			The name Jesus (Ἰησοῦς) refers to three people in the New Testament writings:

			:1) Jesus our messiah;
			:2) Joshua the son of Nun;
			:3) Jesus, surnamed Justus.

			The critical text contains two other Jesus':
			:1) the son of Eliezer in the genealogy in Luke 3.
			:2) Jesus Barabbas in [[Matthew 27:17]]

			The reason these places have been changed to Joshua in the [[King James Version 2016 Edition]] and other modern translations is the same reason that Ἰούδας (Judas) is translated as Jude in [[Jude 1:1]], and Judah in [[Matthew 1:2]], and several others, to make a distinction from Judas Iscariot in [[Matthew 10:4]]. The same Greek name is translated differently several times to clarify to the reader who exactly is being spoken about. This can be explained by the translators second rule which stated:

			:“The names of the prophets and the holy writers with the other names of the text to be retained as nigh as may be, accordingly as they were vulgarly used.”

			That means, that the culture of England in 1611 had no issue with Jesus being the name of Joshua, but they has issues with Judah, and Jude, being associated with Judas. Joshua and Jesus are simply different forms of the same Hebrew and Greek name. The 1611 translators felt that their culture understood this, whereas in today's culture this has become blurred, and thus the need to distinguish between Joshua and Jesus is needed to have a contemporary, modern update of the 1611 KJV.

			Then name Jesus is from the Greek, whereas Joshua is from the Hebrew. Just as many names like Hebrew Noah is Greek Noe, or Hebrew Isaiah is Greek Esaias, so too is Hebrew Joshua, Greek Jesus. Jesus is the Greek rendition of Joshua, are interchangeable, just like the other name variations in spelling between OT and NT. Jesus is a transliteration of the Greek.

			====1611 marginal notes====

			A marginal note in the 1611 at [[Exodus 17:9]] says:

			:"Joshua: called Jesus, Acts. 7.45"

			[[Exodus 17:9]] says:
			:And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of God in mine hand.

			Obviously this is literally Joshua and not a preincarnate Jesus as some KJV supporters have claimed.

			[[Hebrews 4:8]] states:

			:"Jesus: that is, Joshua"

			so as we can see from the marginal notes of the 1611, the name Jesus meant Joshua. In 1611 the names were synonymous. “Jesus” is the Greek mode of writing “Joshua,” and there can be no doubt that Joshua is here intended in the context.

			====KJV Today====
			The article: ''“Jesus” or “Joshua” in Acts 7:45 & Hebrews 4:8?'' states:

			:“ιησους (Iesous),” or “Jesus,” is the Greek form of “Joshua.” Critics claim that the KJV, by merely transliterating the name, misleads readers into thinking that these verses about Joshua the son of Nun are about Jesus Christ. However, one must wonder why English readers should be misled by something that did not mislead Greek readers, for the Greek does not differentiate the two. Rather, it would be more helpful for an English reader to learn that “Jesus” was a typical Hebrew name, and that the identity of any “Jesus” must be determined by context. In 2007, a documentary titled The Lost Tomb of Jesus tried to create a sensation by revealing the discovery of a “tomb of Jesus.” The documentary exploited the English public’s ignorance of the fact that “Jesus” was a typical name in first century Judea. On another note, Jesus the son of Nun of the Old Testament was a "type" of Jesus the son of God of the New Testament. Whereas the mortal Jesus led the Israelites to physical rest, the divine Jesus led man to spiritual rest. God may have purposely given the same name to both men in order that we see that one is the type of the other. This truth is apparent in the KJV.

	==Greek==		==Greek==

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	* '''[[Hebrews 4:8 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\| ΠΡΟΣ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥΣ 4:8]]''' εἰ γὰρ αὐτοὺς Ἰησοῦς κατέπαυσεν οὐκ ἂν περὶ ἄλλης ἐλάλει μετὰ ταῦτα ἡμέρας		* '''[[Hebrews 4:8 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\| ΠΡΟΣ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥΣ 4:8]]''' εἰ γὰρ αὐτοὺς Ἰησοῦς κατέπαυσεν οὐκ ἂν περὶ ἄλλης ἐλάλει μετὰ ταῦτα ἡμέρας

	~~<small>''([[~~Textus Receptus (1598~~)\|Textus Receptus]], [[Theodore Beza]], [[1598 AD\|1598]])''</small>~~		{{Textus Receptus 1598 Footer}}

	* ''' Hebrews 4:8 ''' For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.		* ''' Hebrews 4:8 ''' For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

	~~<small>''([[~~King James Version~~]], [[~~Pure Cambridge Edition~~]] [[1900 AD\|1900]])''</small>~~		{{King James Version Pure Cambridge Edition Footer}}

	* '''[[ Hebrews 4:8 ~~(TRV)~~\|Hebrews 4:8]]''' Because if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.		* '''[[ Hebrews 4:8 King James Version 2016\|Hebrews 4:8]]''' Because if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.

	~~<small>''([[Textus Receptus~~ Version~~]])''</small>~~		{{King James Version 2016 Edition}}

	==Interlinear==		==Interlinear==

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	''See Also [[~~Matthew 1~~:1 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''		''See Also [[Hebrews 4:8 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''
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	==English Translations==		==English Translations==
	~~[[Image:Matthew 1.1 KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[Matthew 1:1]] in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]~~

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	* [[1901 AD\|1901]] ~~The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.~~ ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])		* [[1901 AD\|1901]] ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] ~~The Lineage Roll of Jesus Christ,––Son of David, Son of Abraham.~~ (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)

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	==English Translations==		==English Translations==
	~~[[Image:Matthew 1.1 KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[Matthew 1:1]] in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]~~

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	* [[1901 AD\|1901]] ~~The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.~~ ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])		* [[1901 AD\|1901]] ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] ~~The Lineage Roll of Jesus Christ,––Son of David, Son of Abraham.~~ (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)

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	* [[1380 AD\|1380]] ([[Wyclif's Bible]] by [[John Wycliffe]])		* [[1380 AD\|1380]] ([[Wyclif's Bible]] by [[John Wycliffe]])

	* [[1395 AD\|1395]] ([[Wyclif's Bible]] by [[John Wycliffe]])		* [[1395 AD\|1395]] For if Jhesus hadde youun reste to hem, he schulde neuere speke of othere aftir this dai. ([[Wyclif's Bible]] by [[John Wycliffe]])

	* [[1534 AD\|1534]] ([[Tyndale Bible]] by [[William Tyndale]])		* [[1534 AD\|1534]] For if Iosue had geven them rest then wolde he not afterwarde have spoke of another daye. ([[Tyndale Bible]] by [[William Tyndale]])

	* [[1535 AD\|1535]] (Coverdale Bible)		* [[1535 AD\|1535]] For yf Iosua had geuen them rest, the wolde he not afterwarde haue spoken, of another daye. (Coverdale Bible)

	* [[1539 AD\|1539]] ([[Great Bible]] First Edition - [[Miles Coverdale]])		* [[1539 AD\|1539]] ([[Great Bible]] First Edition - [[Miles Coverdale]])

	* [[1540 AD\|1540]] ([[Great Bible]] Second Edition - [[Miles Coverdale]])		* [[1540 AD\|1540]] For yf Iosue had geuen them rest, then wolde he not afterwarde haue spoken of another daye. ([[Great Bible]] Second Edition - [[Miles Coverdale]])

	* [[1549 AD\|1549]] ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])		* [[1549 AD\|1549]] For yf Iosue had geuen them reste, then woulde he not afterwarde haue spoken of another day. ([[Matthew's Bible]] - [[John Rogers]])

	* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])		* [[1557 AD\|1557]] (Geneva [[1557 AD\|1557]])
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	* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition		* [[1560 AD\|1560]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) First Edition

	* [[1568 AD\|1568]] ([[Bishop's Bible]] First Edition		* [[1568 AD\|1568]] For yf Iesus had geuen them reste, then woulde he not afterwarde haue spoken of another day. ([[Bishop's Bible]] First Edition

	* [[1582 AD\|1582]] (Rheims [[1582 AD\|1582]])		* [[1582 AD\|1582]] (Rheims [[1582 AD\|1582]])

	* [[1587 AD\|1587]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]		* [[1587 AD\|1587]] For if Iesus had giuen them rest, then would he not after this haue spoke of an other day. ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]

	* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]		* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]

	* [[1611 AD\|1611]] ([[King James Version]])		* [[1611 AD\|1611]] For if Iesus had giuen them rest, then would he not afterward haue spoken of another day. ([[King James Version]])

	* [[1729 AD\|1729]] ([[Mace New Testament]])		* [[1729 AD\|1729]] for if Joshuah had given them rest, David would not afterwards have mentioned another day. ([[Mace New Testament]])

	* [[1745 AD\|1745]] (Mr. Whiston's Primitive New Testament)		* [[1745 AD\|1745]] For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Mr. Whiston's Primitive New Testament)

	* [[1762 AD\|1762]] ([[King James Version]])		* [[1762 AD\|1762]] ([[King James Version]])

	* [[1769 AD\|1769]] ([[King James Version]] - [[Benjamin Blayney]])		* [[1769 AD\|1769]] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. ([[King James Version]] - [[Benjamin Blayney]])

	* [[1770 AD\|1770]] (Worsley Version by John Worsley)		* [[1770 AD\|1770]] For if Joshua had given them the rest, He would not afterwards have spoken of another day. (Worsley Version by John Worsley)

	* [[1790 AD\|1790]] (Wesley Version by John Wesley)		* [[1790 AD\|1790]] For if Joshua had given them the rest. he would not have afterward spoken of another day: (Wesley Version by John Wesley)

	* [[1795 AD\|1795]] (A Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by Thomas Haweis)		* [[1795 AD\|1795]] For if Joshua had given them the rest, he would not afterwards have spoken of another day. (A Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by Thomas Haweis)

	* [[1833 AD\|1833]] (Webster Version - by [[Noah Webster]])		* [[1833 AD\|1833]] For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day. (Webster Version - by [[Noah Webster]])

	* [[1835 AD\|1835]] (Living Oracles by Alexander Campbell)		* [[1835 AD\|1835]] For, if Joshua has caused them to rest, he would not, after that, have spoken of another day. (Living Oracles by Alexander Campbell)

	* [[1849 AD\|1849]] ([[Etheridge Translation]] by [[John Etheridge]])		* [[1849 AD\|1849]] but if Jeshu-bar-Nun had established them in rest, he [would] not have spoken afterwards of another day: ([[Etheridge Translation]] by [[John Etheridge]])

	* [[1850 AD\|1850]] ([[King James Version]] by Committee)		* [[1850 AD\|1850]] ([[King James Version]] by Committee)
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	* [[1855 AD\|1855]] [[Calvin Bible]] by the [[Calvin Translation Society]]		* [[1855 AD\|1855]] [[Calvin Bible]] by the [[Calvin Translation Society]]

	* [[1858 AD\|1858]] (The New Testament Translated from the Original Greek by [[Leicester Sawyer]])		* [[1858 AD\|1858]] For if Joshua caused them to rest he would not have spoken of another day afterwards. (The New Testament Translated from the Original Greek by [[Leicester Sawyer]])

	* [[1865 AD\|1865]] ([[The Emphatic Diaglott]] by [[Benjamin Wilson]])		* [[1865 AD\|1865]] If for them Jesus caused to rest, not would concerning another have spoken after these of a day. ([[The Emphatic Diaglott]] by [[Benjamin Wilson]])

	* [[1865 AD\|1865]] (The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 1865 by American Bible Union)		* [[1865 AD\|1865]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not, after this, have spoken of another day. (The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 1865 by American Bible Union)

	* [[1869 AD\|1869]] (Noyes Translation by George Noyes)		* [[1869 AD\|1869]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not after this be speaking of another day. (Noyes Translation by George Noyes)

	* [[1873 AD\|1873]] ([[King James Version]]) by [[Frederick Scrivener]])		* [[1873 AD\|1873]] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. ([[King James Version]]) by [[Frederick Scrivener]])

	* [[1885 AD\|1885]] (Revised Version also called English Revised Version - Charles Ellicott editor)		* [[1885 AD\|1885]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. (Revised Version also called English Revised Version - Charles Ellicott editor)

	* [[1890 AD\|1890]] (Darby Version 1890 by [[John Darby]])		* [[1890 AD\|1890]] For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day. (Darby Version 1890 by [[John Darby]])

	* [[1898 AD\|1898]] ([[Young's Literal Translation]] by [[Robert Young]])		* [[1898 AD\|1898]] for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things; ([[Young's Literal Translation]] by [[Robert Young]])

	* [[1901 AD\|1901]] ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])		* [[1901 AD\|1901]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. ([[American Standard Version]] - [[Philip Schaff]])

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] For, if, unto them, Joshua had given rest, it had not in that case, concerning another day, been speaking, after, these things. (The Emphasised Bible Rotherham Version)

	* [[1902 AD\|1902]] (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)		* [[1902 AD\|1902]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not speak concerning another day after these things. (Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek by William Godbey)

	* [[1904 AD\|1904]] (The New Testament: Revised and Translated by [[Adolphus Worrell]])		* [[1904 AD\|1904]] For, had Joshua given them rest, He would not afterward have spoken of another day. (The New Testament: Revised and Translated by [[Adolphus Worrell]])

	* [[1904 AD\|1904]] (Twentieth Century New Testament by Ernest Malan and Mary Higgs)		* [[1904 AD\|1904]] Now if Joshua had given 'Rest' to the people, God would not have spoken of another and later day. (Twentieth Century New Testament by Ernest Malan and Mary Higgs)

	* [[1911 AD\|1911]] (Syrus Scofield)		* [[1911 AD\|1911]] (Syrus Scofield)

	* [[1912 AD\|1912]] (Weymouth New Testament)		* [[1912 AD\|1912]] For if Joshua had given them the true rest, we should not afterwards hear God speaking of another still future day. (Weymouth New Testament)

	* [[1918 AD\|1918]] (The New Testament Translated from the Sinaitic Manuscript by Henry Anderson)		* [[1918 AD\|1918]] For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not after this have spoken of another day. (The New Testament Translated from the Sinaitic Manuscript by Henry Anderson)

	* [[1923 AD\|1923]] (Edgar Goodspeed)		* [[1923 AD\|1923]] (Edgar Goodspeed)