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Nick at 12:28, 26 April 2025

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	:Veruntamen, ne quid dissimulem, repertus est apud Anglos græcus codex vnus, in quo habetur quod in vulgatis deest. Scriptum est enim hunc ad modum: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. ~~Εἰ2~~ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων etc. Quanquam haud scio an casu factum sit, vt hoc loco non repetatur quod est in græcis nostris: καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν. Ex hoc igitur codice Britannico reposuimus quod in nostris dicebatur deesse, ne cui sit ansa calumniandi.		:Veruntamen, ne quid dissimulem, repertus est apud Anglos græcus codex vnus, in quo habetur quod in vulgatis deest. Scriptum est enim hunc ad modum: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων etc. Quanquam haud scio an casu factum sit, vt hoc loco non repetatur quod est in græcis nostris: καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν. Ex hoc igitur codice Britannico reposuimus quod in nostris dicebatur deesse, ne cui sit ansa calumniandi.

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	==External links==		==External links==

			* [https://confessionalbibliology.com/2016/06/15/nt-manuscripts-made-to-order-erasmus-and-1-jn57/ NT Manuscripts Made to Order (Erasmus and I Jn5.7)]
	* [https://confessionalbibliology.com/2016/06/17/follow-up-codex-montfortianus-erasmus-and-1-john-57/ Follow Up: Codex Montfortianus, Erasmus, and 1 John 5:7]		* [https://confessionalbibliology.com/2016/06/17/follow-up-codex-montfortianus-erasmus-and-1-john-57/ Follow Up: Codex Montfortianus, Erasmus, and 1 John 5:7]

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Nick at 10:39, 26 April 2025

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	The manuscripts called the ''British Codex'' (also ''Codex Britannicus'') by Erasmus is most probably not [[Minuscule 61]] [[Codex Montfortianus]] as is popularly thought.		The manuscripts called the ''British Codex'' (also ''Codex Britannicus'') by Erasmus is most probably not [[Minuscule 61]] [[Codex Montfortianus]] as is popularly thought. Erasmus quoted it in his Annotaions:

	:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)		:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)

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	:Veruntamen, ne quid dissimulem, repertus est apud Anglos græcus codex vnus, in quo habetur quod in vulgatis deest. Scriptum est enim hunc ad modum: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ2 τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων etc. Quanquam haud scio an casu factum sit, vt hoc loco non repetatur quod est in græcis nostris: καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν. Ex hoc igitur codice Britannico reposuimus quod in nostris dicebatur deesse, ne cui sit ansa calumniandi.		:Veruntamen, ne quid dissimulem, repertus est apud Anglos græcus codex vnus, in quo habetur quod in vulgatis deest. Scriptum est enim hunc ad modum: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ2 τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων etc. Quanquam haud scio an casu factum sit, vt hoc loco non repetatur quod est in græcis nostris: καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν. Ex hoc igitur codice Britannico reposuimus quod in nostris dicebatur deesse, ne cui sit ansa calumniandi.

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	:However—lest I should keep anything hidden—there has been found in England one single Greek manuscript in which occurs what is lacking in the commonly-accepted texts. It is written as follows: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, etc, although I am not sure if it is by accident that the phrase “and these three are unto one,” which is found in our Greek manuscripts, is not repeated at this point [i.e. in verse 8]. I therefore restored from this British codex what was said to be lacking in our editions, lest anyone should have any handle to blame me unjustly.[https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A2954624/view]		:However—lest I should keep anything hidden—there has been found in England one single Greek manuscript in which occurs what is lacking in the commonly-accepted texts. It is written as follows: Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, etc, although I am not sure if it is by accident that the phrase “and these three are unto one,” which is found in our Greek manuscripts, is not repeated at this point [i.e. in verse 8]. I therefore restored from this British codex what was said to be lacking in our editions, lest anyone should have any handle to blame me unjustly.[https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A2954624/view]

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	==Comparison with Montfortianus==		==Comparison with Montfortianus==
			Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.

	:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα '''<u>----</u>''', καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>--</u>''' μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)		:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα '''<u>----</u>''', καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>--</u>''' μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)

	:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> '''<u>αγῖον</u>''', καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>οἱ</u>''' μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]		:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> '''<u>αγῖον</u>''', καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>οἱ</u>''' μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]

	Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.

	Codex Montfortianus and Codex Britannicus compared:		Codex Montfortianus and Codex Britannicus compared:

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	:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα '''<u>----</u>''', καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>--</u>''' μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)		:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα '''<u>----</u>''', καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>--</u>''' μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)

	:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> <u>αγῖον</u>, καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>οἱ</u> μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]		:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> '''<u>αγῖον</u>''', καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>οἱ</u>''' μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]

	Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.		Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.

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	:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα <u>----</u>, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>--</u> μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)		:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα '''<u>----</u>''', καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν '''<u>--</u>''' μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)

	:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> <u>αγῖον</u>, καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>οἱ</u> μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]		:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> <u>αγῖον</u>, καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>οἱ</u> μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]

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	:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα <u>----</u>, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)		:Ὅτι τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, πατήρ, λόγος καὶ πνεῦμα <u>----</u>, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσιν. Καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>--</u> μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ, πνεῦμα, ὕδωρ, καὶ αἷμα. Εἰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, (Codex Britannicus)

	:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> <u>αγῖον</u>, καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]		:ὁτϊ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῶ <span style="text-decoration: overline">ουνω</span>, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πηρ</span>, λογος, καί <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span> <u>αγῖον</u>, καί οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς εν εισϊ. καί τρεῖς εἰσιν <u>οἱ</u> μαρτϋροῦντ·¨ ἐν τῃ γῃ, <span style="text-decoration: overline">πνα</span>, ὑδωρ, καί αιμα. (Codex Montfortianus)[https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/000004722?locale=en]

	Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.		Some people in the past such as Thomas Burgess (1756 – 19 February 1837) have disputed the identification of Erasmus' "Codex Britannicus" as the same manuscript as the Codex Montfortianus, instead proposing that it is a now lost Greek manuscript.

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	* [[Codex Montfortianus]]		* [[Codex Montfortianus]]

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	* [[Minuscule 61]]		* [[Minuscule 61]]
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			==External links==

			* [https://confessionalbibliology.com/2016/06/17/follow-up-codex-montfortianus-erasmus-and-1-john-57/ Follow Up: Codex Montfortianus, Erasmus, and 1 John 5:7]

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