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	This is the reading and meaning of [[Wycliffe]] [[1395]] (he ~~diede bifore alle~~ his ~~britheren”~~, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible]] [[1568]], the [[King James Bible]] [[1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] [[1982]], the [[Douay]] [[1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”		This is the reading and meaning of [[Wycliffe]] [[1395]] (he died before all his brethren”, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible]] [[1568]], the [[King James Bible]] [[1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] [[1982]], the [[Douay]] [[1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”


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	PROGENITORS is the reading of the RV, ASV, Young's, the 1917 and 1936 Jewish translations, and ‘ancestors’ is in the [[NKJV]] and NASB, which conveys the same meaning. “The UTMOST BOUND” or boundary is also the reading of these versions. However the [[NIV]] again goes along with the RSV and NRSV and says "blessings of THE ANCIENT MOUNTAINS, than the BOUNTY of the age old hills."		PROGENITORS is the reading of the [[RV]], [[ASV]], Young's, the [[1917]] and [[1936]] Jewish translations, and ‘ancestors’ is in the [[NKJV]] and [[NASB]], which conveys the same meaning. “The UTMOST BOUND” or boundary is also the reading of these versions. However the [[NIV]] again goes along with the RSV and [[NRSV]] and says "blessings of THE ANCIENT MOUNTAINS, than the BOUNTY of the age old hills."


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	Obviously, Moses had not yet gone into Egypt nor had he spoken these words to Pharaoh yet. This did not happen till Exodus chapter 5 where we read: “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness. And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.” Exodus 5:1-2.		Obviously, Moses had not yet gone into Egypt nor had he spoken these words to Pharaoh yet. This did not happen till Exodus chapter 5 where we read: “And afterward Moses and Aaron went in, and told Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Let my people go that they may hold a feast unto me in the wilderness. And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.” [[Exodus 5:1-2]]


	Agreeing with the reading that shows that Moses had not yet spoken to Pharaoh but was to tell him what would happen IF he refused to let Israel go in [[Exodus 4:23]] - “AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” - are the following Bible translations:Coverdale [[1535]], Bishops’ [[Bible 1568]], the [[Geneva Bible 1599]], Darby, Young’s literal, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, the Judaica Press Tanach version, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, the New Life Bible, the Amplified bible, the Revised Standard Version and the 2001 English Standard Version (though the [[NRSV]] read like the [[NASB]], [[NIV]] do now), the New Berkeley Version 1969, the Revised English Bible 1989, the Spanish Reina Valera 1995 version - “pero si te niegas a dejarlo ir, yo mataré a tu hijo, a tu primogénito", the Italian Diodati 1991, the French Louis Segond 1910, the so called Greek Septuagint, the Modern Greek version, the ~~NKJ1982~~ and the Third Millenium bible 1998.		Agreeing with the reading that shows that Moses had not yet spoken to Pharaoh but was to tell him what would happen IF he refused to let Israel go in [[Exodus 4:23]] - “AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” - are the following Bible translations:Coverdale [[1535]], Bishops’ [[Bible 1568]], the [[Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], Darby, Young’s literal, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, the Judaica Press Tanach version, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, the New Life Bible, the Amplified bible, the Revised Standard Version and the 2001 English Standard Version (though the [[NRSV]] read like the [[NASB]], [[NIV]] do now), the New Berkeley Version [[1969]], the Revised English Bible 1989, the Spanish Reina Valera [[1995]] version - “pero si te niegas a dejarlo ir, yo mataré a tu hijo, a tu primogénito", the Italian Diodati [[1991]], the French Louis Segond [[1910]], the so called Greek Septuagint, the Modern Greek version, the [[NKJ]][[1982]] and the [[Third Millenium bible]] [[1998]].


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	The TNIV - now the 2005 Today's [[NIV]] has come out and it changes the text of the old [[NIV]]. The old [[NIV]] says God "made the wheels come off", but now the new TNIV says God "JAMMED the wheels" and then it footnotes that we should consult the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Septuagint and the Syriac, all of which not only differ from the Hebrew but also from each other!		The [[TNIV]] - now the 2005 Today's [[NIV]] has come out and it changes the text of the old [[NIV]]. The old [[NIV]] says God "made the wheels come off", but now the new [[TNIV]] says God "JAMMED the wheels" and then it footnotes that we should consult the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Septuagint and the Syriac, all of which not only differ from the Hebrew but also from each other!


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	Lamsa's 1936 translation of the Syriac Peshitta reads: "clogging the wheels" (from the Syriac we get the reading found in the Message, RSV, NRSV and ESV)		Lamsa's [[1936]] translation of the Syriac Peshitta reads: "clogging the wheels" (from the Syriac we get the reading found in the Message, [[RSV]], [[NRSV]] and [[ESV]])


	Today's English Version 1992 "He made the wheels get stuck"		[[Today's English Version]] [[1992]] "He made the wheels get stuck"


	And the famed Greek Septuagint says God "bound the axel-trees of their chariots"; it doesn't say "clogging the wheels" as the false footnotes of the RSV, ESV tell us.		And the famed Greek Septuagint says God "bound the axel-trees of their chariots"; it doesn't say "clogging the wheels" as the false footnotes of the [[RSV]], [[ESV]] tell us.


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	Exodus 15:2. "The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, AND I WILL PREPARE HIM AN HABITATION."		[[Exodus 15:2]]. "The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, AND I WILL PREPARE HIM AN HABITATION."


	So reads the King James Bible, which I firmly consider to be the true, inerrant, complete, and perfect word of God. It is also the reading found in Webster's 1833 translation, the KJV 21st Century, and the Third Millenium Bible. The Geneva Bible of 1599 reads: "and I will prepare him a tabernacle."		So reads the King James Bible, which I firmly consider to be the true, inerrant, complete, and perfect word of God. It is also the reading found in Webster's 1833 translation, the [[KJV]] 21st Century, and the [[Third Millenium Bible]]. The [[Geneva Bible]] of [[1599]] reads: "and I will prepare him a tabernacle."


	However when we look at the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]], RSV, ESV, NASB we read instead: "He is my God, AND I WILL PRAISE HIM." Now, you have to admit there is quite a difference in meaning between "I will prepare Him an habitation" and "I will praise him". At least, I hope your thinking has not degenerated to the point where you can no longer see that these two phrases do not mean the same thing.		However when we look at the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]], [[RSV]], [[ESV]], [[NASB]] we read instead: "He is my God, AND I WILL PRAISE HIM." Now, you have to admit there is quite a difference in meaning between "I will prepare Him an habitation" and "I will praise him". At least, I hope your thinking has not degenerated to the point where you can no longer see that these two phrases do not mean the same thing.


	The King James Bible is always right, and I will try to show why this is so in Exodus 15:2. There is only one Hebrew word used here which is rendered as "I will prepare him an habitation". The verb is # 5115 nah-vah and is found only twice in the entire Old Testament. The other time the verb is used is in the book of Habakkuk 2:5 where even the [[NKJV]] and NASB translate the verb as "stay at home". Your home is your habitation.		The King James Bible is always right, and I will try to show why this is so in Exodus 15:2. There is only one Hebrew word used here which is rendered as "I will prepare him an habitation". The verb is # 5115 nah-vah and is found only twice in the entire Old Testament. The other time the verb is used is in the book of Habakkuk 2:5 where even the [[NKJV]] and [[NASB]] translate the verb as "stay at home". Your home is your habitation.


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	Neither the verb nor the noun have anything to do with "praise" as the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]], NASB, RSV, ESV have rendered Exodus 15:2. In the King James Bible and a few others we read instead that the children of Israel would prepare "an habitation" for their God. This is exactly what we are told they would do later in the book of Exodus.		Neither the verb nor the noun have anything to do with "praise" as the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]],[[ NASB]], [[RSV]],[[ ESV]] have rendered [[Exodus 15:2]]. In the King James Bible and a few others we read instead that the children of Israel would prepare "an habitation" for their God. This is exactly what we are told they would do later in the book of Exodus.


	In Exodus 25 God commands Moses to tell the children of Israel to bring offerings of precious metals, linen and animal skins to build the tabernacle where God will meet with them. In verse 25:8 God says: "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them." This is what is prophetically referred to in Exodus 15:2 when the King James Bible has Moses and the children of Israel singing "and I will prepare him an habitation."		In [[Exodus 25]] God commands Moses to tell the children of Israel to bring offerings of precious metals, linen and animal skins to build the tabernacle where God will meet with them. In verse 25:8 God says: "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them." This is what is prophetically referred to in [[Exodus 15:2]] when the King James Bible has Moses and the children of Israel singing "and I will prepare him an habitation."


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	Exodus 26:14; 25:5		[[Exodus 26:14; 25:5]]


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	Bible translations that agree with the King James Bible's "badgers" are the [[NKJV]] 1982, Geneva 1599, Darby 1870,Young's, the 1936 Jewish translation (Hebrew Pub.Co. New York), Webster's 1833, KJV 21st Century 1994, Third Millenium Bible 1998, Rotherham's Emphasized Bible 1902, and the Spanish Reina Valera 1569, 1909, 1960 and 1995, and the Italian Diodati and the New Diodoti 1991, the New Life Bible 1992, Lesser Bible 1853, Natural Israelite Bible 2008 all agree with the KJB reading of BADGER'S SKINS.		Bible translations that agree with the King James Bible's "badgers" are the [[NKJV]] [[1982]], [[Geneva]] [[1599]], Darby [[1870]],Young's, the 1936 Jewish translation (Hebrew Pub.Co. New York), Webster's [[1833]], [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]], [[Third Millenium Bible]] [[1998]], Rotherham's Emphasized Bible 1902, and the Spanish Reina Valera 1569, 1909, 1960 and 1995, and the Italian Diodati and the New Diodoti 1991, the New Life Bible 1992, Lesser Bible 1853, Natural Israelite Bible 2008 all agree with the KJB reading of BADGER'S SKINS.

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	That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale [[1535]], [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the [[Revised Version]] of [[1881]], the [[ASV]] of [[1901]], the predecessor of the [[NASB]], which according to the preface of the [[NASB]] was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] [[1984]], the [[TNIV]] [[2005]], Rotherham's [[1902]] Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the [[KJV]] 21st century and the [[Third Millenium Bible 1998]].		That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale [[1535]], [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the [[Revised Version]] of [[1881]], the [[ASV]] of [[1901]], the predecessor of the [[NASB]], which according to the preface of the [[NASB]] was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] [[1984]], the [[TNIV]] [[2005]], Rotherham's [[1902]] Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the [[KJV]] 21st century and the [[Third Millenium Bible]] [[1998]].


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	He shall dwell "IN THE PRESENCE OF" all his brethren is the reading or meaning of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, Bishops' Bible, the Geneva Bible, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, the Revised Version, the [[ASV]], [[RSV]], Douay, Rotherham's Emphasized bible, the [[KJV 21]] and others. Darby and Young's say "he will dwell before the face of all his brethren. Yet the [[NASB]] says: "And he will live TO THE EAST of all his brothers."		He shall dwell "IN THE PRESENCE OF" all his brethren is the reading or meaning of the [[1917]], [[1936]] Jewish translations, Bishops' Bible, the Geneva Bible, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, the Revised Version, the [[ASV]], [[RSV]], Douay, Rotherham's Emphasized bible, the [[KJV 21]] and others. Darby and Young's say "he will dwell before the face of all his brethren. Yet the [[NASB]] says: "And he will live TO THE EAST of all his brothers."


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	So which is it? Was she reproved as the [[KJB]], [[NKJV]] and others say or was she cleared and vindicated as the [[NIV]] - NASB have it? And what on earth does "this vindicates you" mean? The [[NIV]] omits the word "behold" three times in verses 15, 16, adds "offence" though it did get "cover" more or less right but yet the meaning is totally different than either the [[NKJV]], NASB or the [[KJB]].		So which is it? Was she reproved as the [[KJB]], [[NKJV]] and others say or was she cleared and vindicated as the [[NIV]] - NASB have it? And what on earth does "this vindicates you" mean? The [[NIV]] omits the word "behold" three times in verses 15, 16, adds "offence" though it did get "cover" more or less right but yet the meaning is totally different than either the [[NKJV]], [[NASB]] or the [[KJB]].


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	This is the reading and meaning of [[Wycliffe 1395]] (he diede bifore alle his britheren”, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible 1568]], the [[King James Bible 1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] 1982, the [[Douay 1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”		This is the reading and meaning of [[Wycliffe]] [[1395]] (he diede bifore alle his britheren”, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible]] [[1568]], the [[King James Bible]] [[1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] [[1982]], the [[Douay]] [[1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”

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	This is the reading of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, The Judaica Press Tanach, Hebrew Names Bible, the Geneva, Coverdale, Wycliffe, Bishops' bibles, Revised Version, American Standard Version, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, Douay, Darby and Young's. However beginning with the RSV and now continuing with the [[NASB]], [[NIV]], [[ESV]], [[NET]] and [[Holman]], all these versions give us the opposite meaning here. The [[NIV]], NASB say: "Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earth's richness, AWAY FROM the dew of heaven above." In other words, Esau would not enjoy these blessings - the exact opposite of the reading found in the [[KJB]] and all other previous English and Jewish Bible versions.		This is the reading of the [[1917]], [[1936]] Jewish translations, The Judaica Press Tanach, Hebrew Names Bible, the Geneva, Coverdale, Wycliffe, Bishops' bibles, Revised Version, American Standard Version, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, Douay, Darby and Young's. However beginning with the RSV and now continuing with the [[NASB]], [[NIV]], [[ESV]], [[NET]] and [[Holman]], all these versions give us the opposite meaning here. The [[NIV]], NASB say: "Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earth's richness, AWAY FROM the dew of heaven above." In other words, Esau would not enjoy these blessings - the exact opposite of the reading found in the [[KJB]] and all other previous English and Jewish Bible versions.


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	“UPON THE BED'S HEAD” is the reading of the Hebrew, Wycliffe, Coverdale, [[Bishops’ bible]], the [[Geneva Bible]], the [[RV]], [[ASV]],[[ NASB]], [[NKJV]], Young, Darby and even the liberal [[RSV]], along with the [[NRSV]], [[ESV and Holman Standard]]. ONLY the [[NIV]] here rejects the clear Hebrew text and follows the incorrect LXX at this point. The [[NIV]] says "Israel worshipped AS HE LEANED ON THE TOP OF HIS STAFF."		“UPON THE BED'S HEAD” is the reading of the Hebrew, Wycliffe, Coverdale, [[Bishops’ bible]], the [[Geneva Bible]], the [[RV]], [[ASV]],[[ NASB]], [[NKJV]], Young, Darby and even the liberal [[RSV]], along with the [[NRSV]], [[ESV]] and [[Holman Standard]]. ONLY the [[NIV]] here rejects the clear Hebrew text and follows the incorrect LXX at this point. The [[NIV]] says "Israel worshipped AS HE LEANED ON THE TOP OF HIS STAFF."


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	The [[NIV]], along with the RSV and NRSV, says: "UNTIL HE COMES TO WHOM IT BELONGS" instead of "until Shiloh come". You won't find this note in the [[NIV]] but the RSV and NRSV both tell us in their footnotes that the SYRIAC reads the way the [[NIV]] does, but that the Hebrew says UNTIL SHILOH COME.		The [[NIV]], along with the RSV and [[NRSV]], says: "UNTIL HE COMES TO WHOM IT BELONGS" instead of "until Shiloh come". You won't find this note in the [[NIV]] but the RSV and NRSV both tell us in their footnotes that the SYRIAC reads the way the [[NIV]] does, but that the Hebrew says UNTIL SHILOH COME.


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	Now the new 2001 ESV (a revision of the RSV) has come out and it too has changed to now read: “nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, UNTIL TRIBUTE COMES TO HIM...”		Now the new [[2001]] [[ESV]] (a revision of the RSV) has come out and it too has changed to now read: “nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, UNTIL TRIBUTE COMES TO HIM...”


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	Exodus 4:23 - Silly statements in the NASB, [[NIV]].		[[Exodus 4:23]] - Silly statements in the [[NASB]], [[NIV]].


	Another silly statement found in versions like the NASB, [[NIV]] is Exodus 4:23. In the King James Bible (and many others as we shall soon see) we read of God appearing to Moses and telling him: “When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: AND IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” Exodus 4:21-23.		Another silly statement found in versions like the NASB, [[NIV]] is Exodus 4:23. In the King James Bible (and many others as we shall soon see) we read of God appearing to Moses and telling him: “When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go. And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: AND IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” [[Exodus 4:21-23]].


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	Agreeing with the reading that shows that Moses had not yet spoken to Pharaoh but was to tell him what would happen IF he refused to let Israel go in Exodus 4:23 - “AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” - are the following Bible translations:Coverdale 1535, Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Darby, Young’s literal, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, the Judaica Press Tanach version, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, the New Life Bible, the Amplified bible, the Revised Standard Version and the 2001 English Standard Version (though the NRSV read like the NASB, [[NIV]] do now), the New Berkeley Version 1969, the Revised English Bible 1989, the Spanish Reina Valera 1995 version - “pero si te niegas a dejarlo ir, yo mataré a tu hijo, a tu primogénito", the Italian Diodati 1991, the French Louis Segond 1910, the so called Greek Septuagint, the Modern Greek version, the NKJ1982 and the Third Millenium bible 1998.		Agreeing with the reading that shows that Moses had not yet spoken to Pharaoh but was to tell him what would happen IF he refused to let Israel go in [[Exodus 4:23]] - “AND I SAY unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and IF THOU REFUSE to let him go, behold I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.” - are the following Bible translations:Coverdale [[1535]], Bishops’ [[Bible 1568]], the [[Geneva Bible 1599]], Darby, Young’s literal, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, the Judaica Press Tanach version, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, the New Life Bible, the Amplified bible, the Revised Standard Version and the 2001 English Standard Version (though the [[NRSV]] read like the [[NASB]], [[NIV]] do now), the New Berkeley Version 1969, the Revised English Bible 1989, the Spanish Reina Valera 1995 version - “pero si te niegas a dejarlo ir, yo mataré a tu hijo, a tu primogénito", the Italian Diodati 1991, the French Louis Segond 1910, the so called Greek Septuagint, the Modern Greek version, the NKJ1982 and the Third Millenium bible 1998.


	However there are many other modern versions that change the meaning of the verse, and even different editions of the same bible version come out with different readings. Instead of God telling Moses what he should say to Pharaoh and what will happen IF he refuses (the context is referring to a future event), versions like the NASB, [[NIV]], ASV, NRSV, NEB and the Spanish RV Gomez version say: “Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, My firstborn. "SO I SAID to you, `Let My son go that he may serve Me'; but YOU HAVE REFUSED to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your firstborn.” (NASB)		However there are many other modern versions that change the meaning of the verse, and even different editions of the same bible version come out with different readings. Instead of God telling Moses what he should say to Pharaoh and what will happen IF he refuses (the context is referring to a future event), versions like the [[NASB]], [[NIV]], [[ASV]], [[NRSV]], [[NEB]] and the Spanish RV Gomez version say: “Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, My firstborn. "SO I SAID to you, `Let My son go that he may serve Me'; but YOU HAVE REFUSED to let him go. Behold, I will kill your son, your firstborn.” (NASB)


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	In Exodus 14: 24-25 we read: "And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, And TOOK OFF their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily."		In [[Exodus 14: 24-25]] we read: "And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians, And TOOK OFF their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily."


	"TOOK OFF their chariot wheels" is the reading of Tyndale 1530, Coverdale 1535 (smote the wheels from their chariots), Bishops' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, the King James Holy Bible 1611, Rotherham's Emphasized bible 1902, the [[NKJV]] 1982, the Revised Version 1881, the ASV of 1901 (the predecessor of the NASB), the KJV 21, Third Millenium Bible, Hebrew Names Bible, World English Bible, the two Jewish translations of 1917 and 1936, Darby, the Living Bible and 1998 New Living Bible, Green's interlinear, MKJV, the [[NIV]] of 1982 and the Spanish versions of 1960 and 1995 - quitó las ruedas.		"TOOK OFF their chariot wheels" is the reading of Tyndale [[1530]], Coverdale [[1535]] (smote the wheels from their chariots), [[Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the King James Holy Bible 1611, Rotherham's Emphasized bible 1902, the [[NKJV]] 1982, the Revised Version 1881, the ASV of 1901 (the predecessor of the NASB), the KJV 21, [[Third Millenium Bible]], Hebrew Names Bible, World English Bible, the two Jewish translations of [[1917]] and [[1936]], Darby, the Living Bible and 1998 New Living Bible, Green's interlinear,[[ MKJV]], the [[NIV]] of 1982 and the Spanish versions of 1960 and 1995 - quitó las ruedas.


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	However the "scholarly" NASB tells us : "He caused their chariot wheels TO SWERVE". This is also the reading of the brand new 2004 Holman Christian Standard version.		However the "scholarly" [[NASB]] tells us : "He caused their chariot wheels TO SWERVE". This is also the reading of the brand new 2004 Holman Christian Standard version.


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	The word used here is # 5493 soor and it means to remove or take away. It is used in Exodus 8:8 "take away the frogs"; in 8:31 "he removed the swarms of flies", in 34:34 Moses took off the vail", Genesis 41:42 "Pharoah took off his ring" and in Genesis 8:13 "Noah removed the covering of the ark".		The word used here is # 5493 soor and it means to remove or take away. It is used in Exodus 8:8 "take away the frogs"; in 8:31 "he removed the swarms of flies", in 34:34 Moses took off the vail", [[Genesis 41:42]] "Pharoah took off his ring" and in [[Genesis 8:13]] "Noah removed the covering of the ark".


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	The RSV 1952, NRSV, ESV 2002, New English Bible 1970 and The Message all say God was "CLOGGING the wheels", with a footnote that tells us this reading (clogging) comes from the Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch and Syriac; but that the Hebrew text reads "took off" or "removed". Actually, the Greek version called the Septuagint doesn't say "clogging", as we shall soon see.		The [[RSV]] [[1952]], [[NRSV]], [[ESV]] [[2002]], New English Bible 1970 and The Message all say God was "CLOGGING the wheels", with a footnote that tells us this reading (clogging) comes from the Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch and Syriac; but that the Hebrew text reads "took off" or "removed". Actually, the Greek version called the Septuagint doesn't say "clogging", as we shall soon see.

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	Consider, what else could God give Abraham? He already was very rich 13:2; he has already been promised the land of Canaan and told that kings would come out of him and that all nations would be blessed in him; his name would be great and God would bless them which bless him and curse the one who cursed him, and God had delivered his enemies into his hand. Nothing else could be added, but the promise that God Himself would be his exceeding great reward. Abraham was to continue his life journey learning more and more of God. This whole promise is lost in versions like the ]]~~NASB~~, RSV, ESV]] and [[Holman]].		Consider, what else could God give Abraham? He already was very rich 13:2; he has already been promised the land of Canaan and told that kings would come out of him and that all nations would be blessed in him; his name would be great and God would bless them which bless him and curse the one who cursed him, and God had delivered his enemies into his hand. Nothing else could be added, but the promise that God Himself would be his exceeding great reward. Abraham was to continue his life journey learning more and more of God. This whole promise is lost in versions like the [[NASB]], [[RSV]], [[ESV]] and [[Holman]].


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	Daniel Wallace's NET version says: "He will live AWAY FROM his brothers.” He then posts the usual confusing footnotes, saying: " Heb “opposite, across from.” Ishmael would live on the edge of society (cf. NASB “to the east of”). Some take this as an idiom meaning “be at odds with” (cf. NRSV, NLT) or “live in hostility toward” (cf. [[NIV]])."		Daniel Wallace's NET version says: "He will live AWAY FROM his brothers.” He then posts the usual confusing footnotes, saying: " Heb “opposite, across from.” Ishmael would live on the edge of society (cf. [[NASB]] “to the east of”). Some take this as an idiom meaning “be at odds with” (cf. [[NRSV]], [[NLT]]) or “live in hostility toward” (cf. [[NIV]])."

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	That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale [[1535]], [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the [[Revised Version]] of [[1881]], the [[ASV]] of [[1901]], the predecessor of the [[NASB]], which according to the preface of the NASB was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] [[1984]], the [[TNIV]] [[2005]], Rotherham's [[1902]] Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the [[KJV]] 21st century and the [[Third Millenium Bible 1998]].		That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale [[1535]], [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the [[Revised Version]] of [[1881]], the [[ASV]] of [[1901]], the predecessor of the [[NASB]], which according to the preface of the [[NASB]] was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] [[1984]], the [[TNIV]] [[2005]], Rotherham's [[1902]] Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the [[KJV]] 21st century and the [[Third Millenium Bible 1998]].


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	However the [[NASB]] along with the [[RSV, ESV]], and Holman Standard have changed this to now read: "I am a shield to you; YOUR REWARD SHALL BE VERY GREAT." Daniel Wallace's NET bible version also misses the correct meaning with: "I am your shield and THE ONE WHO WILL REWARD YOU IN GREAT ABUNDANCE."		However the [[NASB]] along with the [[RSV]], [[ESV]], and Holman Standard have changed this to now read: "I am a shield to you; YOUR REWARD SHALL BE VERY GREAT." Daniel Wallace's NET bible version also misses the correct meaning with: "I am your shield and THE ONE WHO WILL REWARD YOU IN GREAT ABUNDANCE."


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	He shall dwell "IN THE PRESENCE OF" all his brethren is the reading or meaning of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, Bishops' Bible, the Geneva Bible, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, the Revised Version, the [[ASV, RSV]], Douay, Rotherham's Emphasized bible, the [[KJV 21]] and others. Darby and Young's say "he will dwell before the face of all his brethren. Yet the NASB says: "And he will live TO THE EAST of all his brothers."		He shall dwell "IN THE PRESENCE OF" all his brethren is the reading or meaning of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, Bishops' Bible, the Geneva Bible, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, the Revised Version, the [[ASV]], [[RSV]], Douay, Rotherham's Emphasized bible, the [[KJV 21]] and others. Darby and Young's say "he will dwell before the face of all his brethren. Yet the [[NASB]] says: "And he will live TO THE EAST of all his brothers."


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	"Covering of the eyes" is the literal reading of the Hebrew and is also found in the [[1917]] and [[1936]] Jewish translations, the [[RV, ASV, Young's, Darby, Douay, Geneva and Spanish bibles]]. Even the [[NKJV]] shows in its footnote that the literal Hebrew is "covering of the eyes".		"Covering of the eyes" is the literal reading of the Hebrew and is also found in the [[1917]] and [[1936]] Jewish translations, the [[RV]], [[ASV]], Young's, Darby, Douay, Geneva and Spanish bibles]]. Even the [[NKJV]] shows in its footnote that the literal Hebrew is "covering of the eyes".


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	This is the reading and meaning of Wycliffe 1395 (he diede bifore alle his britheren”, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible 1568]], the [[King James Bible 1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] 1982, the [[Douay 1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”		This is the reading and meaning of [[Wycliffe 1395]] (he diede bifore alle his britheren”, Coverdale [[1535]], [[Bishops’ Bible 1568]], the [[King James Bible 1611]], [[Webster’s 1833]], [[1936 Hebrew Publishing Company translation]], the [[NKJV]] 1982, the [[Douay 1950]], the Spanish Reina Valera [[1602]], [[1909]], [[1960]], [[1995]] (y murió en presencia de todos sus hermanos. - And he DIED in the presence of all his brethren), the [[KJV]] 21st Century [[1994]]. Young’s ‘literal’ is also very similar, reading: “in the presence of all his brethren hath he fallen.”


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	This is the reading of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, The Judaica Press Tanach, Hebrew Names Bible, the Geneva, Coverdale, Wycliffe, Bishops' bibles, Revised Version, American Standard Version, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, Douay, Darby and Young's. However beginning with the RSV and now continuing with the NASB, NIV, ESV, NET and Holman, all these versions give us the opposite meaning here. The [[NIV]], NASB say: "Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earth's richness, AWAY FROM the dew of heaven above." In other words, Esau would not enjoy these blessings - the exact opposite of the reading found in the [[KJB]] and all other previous English and Jewish Bible versions.		This is the reading of the [[1917, 1936]] Jewish translations, The Judaica Press Tanach, Hebrew Names Bible, the Geneva, Coverdale, Wycliffe, Bishops' bibles, Revised Version, American Standard Version, [[NKJV]], Spanish Reina Valera, Douay, Darby and Young's. However beginning with the RSV and now continuing with the [[NASB]], [[NIV]], [[ESV]], [[NET]] and [[Holman]], all these versions give us the opposite meaning here. The [[NIV]], NASB say: "Your dwelling will be AWAY FROM the earth's richness, AWAY FROM the dew of heaven above." In other words, Esau would not enjoy these blessings - the exact opposite of the reading found in the [[KJB]] and all other previous English and Jewish Bible versions.


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	This word "to have the dominion" is # 7300 rood. It is used only three times and is translated as "we are lords" in [[Jer. 3:21]] and [[Hosea 11:12]] as "Judah yet ruleth with God." "When thou shalt have the dominion" is the reading of Young's, the Spanish Reina Valera, 1936 Jewish translation. The Geneva and Bishops' Bibles say "when thou shalt get the mastery". However the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]], NASB all say: "when YOU BECOME RESTLESS, you shall break his yoke from your neck." The [[RV, RSV]], and [[NRSV]] say: "when you BREAK LOOSE", and then in a footnote the [[RSV, NRSV]] tell us "the Hebrew meaning is uncertain." Well, one thing we know for sure is that the various English versions are definitely uncertain, aren't they?		This word "to have the dominion" is # 7300 rood. It is used only three times and is translated as "we are lords" in [[Jer. 3:21]] and [[Hosea 11:12]] as "Judah yet ruleth with God." "When thou shalt have the dominion" is the reading of Young's, the Spanish Reina Valera, [[1936]] Jewish translation. The Geneva and Bishops' Bibles say "when thou shalt get the mastery". However the [[NKJV]], [[NIV]], NASB all say: "when YOU BECOME RESTLESS, you shall break his yoke from your neck." The [[RV, RSV]], and [[NRSV]] say: "when you BREAK LOOSE", and then in a footnote the [[RSV, NRSV]] tell us "the Hebrew meaning is uncertain." Well, one thing we know for sure is that the various English versions are definitely uncertain, aren't they?


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	LAWGIVER is the reading of the KJB, the Jewish translations, the[[ NKJV]], Geneva Bible, Darby and Young's. But the NASB and [[NIV]] say "THE RULER'S STAFF' yet they both translated this same word as "lawgiver" in Isaiah 33:22 "the LORD is our lawgiver; the LORD is our king."		LAWGIVER is the reading of the [[KJB]], the Jewish translations, the[[ NKJV]], Geneva Bible, Darby and Young's. But the [[NASB]] and [[NIV]] say "THE RULER'S STAFF' yet they both translated this same word as "lawgiver" in [[Isaiah 33:22]] "the LORD is our lawgiver; the LORD is our king."


	“Until SHILOH COME” is the reading of the Geneva Bible, Bishops’ bible, the KJB, NKJV, NASB, ASV, RV, Darby, Green, Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible, Hebrew Names Version, the Spanish Bibles and the Third Millenium Bible. The word Shiloh occurs only once in the Bible and it comes from the verb meaning to be tranquil or to be at peace.		“Until SHILOH COME” is the reading of the Geneva Bible, Bishops’ bible, the [[KJB]], [[NKJV]], [[NASB]], [[ASV]], [[RV]], Darby, Green, Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible, [[Hebrew Names Version]], the [[Spanish Bibles]] and the [[Third Millenium Bible]]. The word Shiloh occurs only once in the Bible and it comes from the verb meaning to be tranquil or to be at peace.


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	The [[NIV]] has a unique reading in 49:21. The KJB, as well as Wycliffe, Coverdale, Bishops’, the Geneva Bible, Douay, Darby, Youngs, RV, ASV, NKJV, NASB and the Jewish translations say: "Naphtali is a hind let loose: HE GIVETH GOODLY WORDS." However the [[NIV]] again joins the super liberal RSV, the NRSV, ESV and Holman Standard as says: "THAT BEARS BEAUTIFUL FAWNS."!		The [[NIV]] has a unique reading in 49:21. The [[KJB]], as well as Wycliffe, Coverdale, Bishops’, the Geneva Bible, Douay, Darby, Youngs, [[RV]], [[ASV]], [[NKJV]], [[NASB]] and the Jewish translations say: "Naphtali is a hind let loose: HE GIVETH GOODLY WORDS." However the [[NIV]] again joins the super liberal RSV, the NRSV, ESV and Holman Standard as says: "THAT BEARS BEAUTIFUL FAWNS."!

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	That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale 1535, [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] 1568, the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] 1599, the [[Revised Version]] of 1881, the [[ASV]] of 1901, the predecessor of the NASB, which according to the preface of the NASB was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] 1984, the [[TNIV]] 2005, Rotherham's 1902 Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the KJV 21st century and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.		That God Himself is our exceeding great reward is the reading of the Coverdale [[1535]], [[The Bishops' Bible\|Bishops' Bible]] [[1568]], the [[The Geneva Bible\|Geneva Bible]] [[1599]], the [[Revised Version]] of [[1881]], the [[ASV]] of [[1901]], the predecessor of the [[NASB]], which according to the preface of the NASB was such a good translation. It is also the reading of the [[NKJV]], the [[NIV]] 1984, the [[TNIV]] 2005, Rotherham's 1902 Emphasized Bible, the Hebrew Names Bible, Webster's 1833 translation, Darby, Douay 1950 (but later Catholic versions changed it to now read like the [[RSV]], [[NASB]]), the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1602 - 1909 (Yo soy tu escudo, y tu galardón sobremanera grande) the KJV 21st century and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.