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	* [[1598 AD\|1598]] (Beza 4th)		* [[1598 AD\|1598]] Καὶ ὡς τεσσερακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροφοφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ. (Beza 4th)
	''See Also [[Acts 13:18 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''		''See Also [[Acts 13:18 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''
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	* [[1894 AD\|1894]] ~~(? ????? ???T???)~~		* [[1894 AD\|1894]] καὶ ὡς τεσσαρακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροποφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ

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			[[Image:Acts 13.18 KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|250px\|Acts 13:18 in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]
	The 1611 says:		The 1611 says:
	:and about the time of forty years † suffered he their manners in the wilderness.....		:and about the time of forty years † suffered he their manners in the wilderness.....

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	:Acts 13:18 – Did God suffer their manners, or bear and feed them?		:Acts 13:18 – Did God suffer their manners, or bear and feed them?
	:The text of the KJV 1611 reads “and about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.” The Marginal note once again introduces some doubt by the KJV translators, noting, “Gr. ετροποφοπησεν perhaps for ετροφοφορησεν as a nurse beareth or feedeth her childe, Deut. 1:31. 2 macc 7.27, according to the Sept. and S. Chrysost.” Here we have a very interesting case concerning Paul’s reference to the OT as recorded by Luke. Paul tells part of Israel’s story, and mentions the part of the story that is recorded in Deut. 1:31. The Hebrew text there is that God "~~ישׂאָ“with~~ them in the wilderness. But when that Hebrew word got translated into the Greek of the Septuagint, it could be translated in two different ways, one meaning “to carry” or “bear up,” and the other meaning, “to bear with/ put up with” or “suffer.” There is only 1 letter difference between the two different words in Greek. Interestingly, there are today LXX manuscripts which contain both readings. However, the LXX available to the KJV translators apparently had only the “bear up/carry” reading, while the Greek texts before them had the “bear with/suffer” reading.79 They weren’t sure whether to follow the Greek texts of Acts they had, or to correct them on the basis of the LXX translation of the Deuteronomy passage which they had. (They also note the same translation difficulty with the Apocrypha of 2 Maccabess 7:27.) In this case, an LXX reading of the OT passage that was different than the text of Acts as they had it made them less than certain about which text Luke had actually quoted. So, they noted their uncertainty in the margin. In this case, it would appear from their note that they didn’t even realize that there were different Greek manuscripts that had the same variant. Yet scribes had often encountered the same question as the copied the text of Acts, and so today, we have manuscripts of Acts that contain both readings, as scribes corrected the text to one reading or the other, and its something of a 50/50 shot to know which one Luke wrote.80 Which one did Luke write? Which was Original? In this case, the LXX made the KJV translators admit they were not sure.		:The text of the KJV 1611 reads “and about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.” The Marginal note once again introduces some doubt by the KJV translators, noting, “Gr. ετροποφοπησεν perhaps for ετροφοφορησεν as a nurse beareth or feedeth her childe, Deut. 1:31. 2 macc 7.27, according to the Sept. and S. Chrysost.” Here we have a very interesting case concerning Paul’s reference to the OT as recorded by Luke. Paul tells part of Israel’s story, and mentions the part of the story that is recorded in Deut. 1:31. The Hebrew text there is that God "ישָׂא" with them in the wilderness. But when that Hebrew word got translated into the Greek of the Septuagint, it could be translated in two different ways, one meaning “to carry” or “bear up,” and the other meaning, “to bear with/ put up with” or “suffer.” There is only 1 letter difference between the two different words in Greek. Interestingly, there are today LXX manuscripts which contain both readings. However, the LXX available to the KJV translators apparently had only the “bear up/carry” reading, while the Greek texts before them had the “bear with/suffer” reading.79 They weren’t sure whether to follow the Greek texts of Acts they had, or to correct them on the basis of the LXX translation of the Deuteronomy passage which they had. (They also note the same translation difficulty with the Apocrypha of 2 Maccabess 7:27.) In this case, an LXX reading of the OT passage that was different than the text of Acts as they had it made them less than certain about which text Luke had actually quoted. So, they noted their uncertainty in the margin. In this case, it would appear from their note that they didn’t even realize that there were different Greek manuscripts that had the same variant. Yet scribes had often encountered the same question as the copied the text of Acts, and so today, we have manuscripts of Acts that contain both readings, as scribes corrected the text to one reading or the other, and its something of a 50/50 shot to know which one Luke wrote.80 Which one did Luke write? Which was Original? In this case, the LXX made the KJV translators admit they were not sure.
	<small>		<small>
	:76 Scrivener, pg. 58.		:76 Scrivener, pg. 58.
	:77 Comfort, Textual Commentary, pg 316.		:77 Comfort, Textual Commentary, pg 316.
	:78 Comfort, textual commentary, pg 316-317.		:78 Comfort, textual commentary, pg 316-317.
	:79 See Stephanus, Erasmus, and Scrivener.</small>		:79 See Stephanus, Erasmus, and Scrivener.
			</small>

			The translators were merely pointing out the ετροποφοπησεν and ετροφοφορησεν were similar and that the readings could be mistaken for each other at times, creating a false definition and a false context. Notice Berg says that "The Marginal note once again introduces some doubt by the KJV translators", as if these are readings they didn't know the correct reading of. He then makes the fantastic claim that "They weren’t sure whether to follow the Greek texts of Acts they had, or to correct them on the basis of the LXX translation of the Deuteronomy passage which they had." Berg creates a conspiracy theory about this and claims "In this case, an LXX reading of the OT passage that was different than the text of Acts as they had it made them less than certain about which text Luke had actually quoted. So, they noted their uncertainty in the margin. In this case, '''<u>it would appear from their note that they didn’t even realize that there were different Greek manuscripts that had the same variant</u>''', and ended by asking "Which one did Luke write? Which was Original? In this case, '''<u>the LXX made the KJV translators admit they were not sure</u>'''."

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			The 1611 says:
			:and about the time of forty years † suffered he their manners in the wilderness.....
			The marginal note says:
			:\|\|''† Gr. ετροποφοπησεν perhaps for ετροφοφορησεν as a nurse beareth or feedeth her childe, Deut. 1:31. 2 macc 7.27, according to the Sept. and S. Chrysost.''

			In an article by Timothy Berg ''[https://bloggingtheword.com/the-blog/the-types-of-marginal-notes-in-the-1611-kjv The 5 Types Of Marginal Notes In The 1611 KJV]'', he lists several marginal notes that he said "each of these and many other cases, the note signals not just an alternate translation that might be equally probable, but a more literal translation that they have opted against for various reasons." In the previous context, (see also [[1 Peter 3:6]] Berg has made allusions that the translators didn't follow a more "literal reading" because of bias and also unknown reasons. Berg says of this verse:

			:Interestingly, this note is presented with the cross symbol and format as explained above, which might at first appear to be an alternate translation, though it is clearly a textual note.

			In another earlier article of Berg's called ''A Neglected Exposition of The Translators to the Readers'' Berg writes:

			:Acts 13:18 – Did God suffer their manners, or bear and feed them?
			:The text of the KJV 1611 reads “and about the time of forty years suffered he their manners in the wilderness.” The Marginal note once again introduces some doubt by the KJV translators, noting, “Gr. ετροποφοπησεν perhaps for ετροφοφορησεν as a nurse beareth or feedeth her childe, Deut. 1:31. 2 macc 7.27, according to the Sept. and S. Chrysost.” Here we have a very interesting case concerning Paul’s reference to the OT as recorded by Luke. Paul tells part of Israel’s story, and mentions the part of the story that is recorded in Deut. 1:31. The Hebrew text there is that God "ישׂאָ“with them in the wilderness. But when that Hebrew word got translated into the Greek of the Septuagint, it could be translated in two different ways, one meaning “to carry” or “bear up,” and the other meaning, “to bear with/ put up with” or “suffer.” There is only 1 letter difference between the two different words in Greek. Interestingly, there are today LXX manuscripts which contain both readings. However, the LXX available to the KJV translators apparently had only the “bear up/carry” reading, while the Greek texts before them had the “bear with/suffer” reading.79 They weren’t sure whether to follow the Greek texts of Acts they had, or to correct them on the basis of the LXX translation of the Deuteronomy passage which they had. (They also note the same translation difficulty with the Apocrypha of 2 Maccabess 7:27.) In this case, an LXX reading of the OT passage that was different than the text of Acts as they had it made them less than certain about which text Luke had actually quoted. So, they noted their uncertainty in the margin. In this case, it would appear from their note that they didn’t even realize that there were different Greek manuscripts that had the same variant. Yet scribes had often encountered the same question as the copied the text of Acts, and so today, we have manuscripts of Acts that contain both readings, as scribes corrected the text to one reading or the other, and its something of a 50/50 shot to know which one Luke wrote.80 Which one did Luke write? Which was Original? In this case, the LXX made the KJV translators admit they were not sure.
			<small>
			:76 Scrivener, pg. 58.
			:77 Comfort, Textual Commentary, pg 316.
			:78 Comfort, textual commentary, pg 316-317.
			:79 See Stephanus, Erasmus, and Scrivener.</small>

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	* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]		* [[1599 AD\|1599]] ([[Geneva Bible]]) by [[William Whittingham]]
			[[Image:Acts 13.18 KJV.JPG\|300px\|thumb\|right\|250px\|Acts 13:18 in the [[1611 AD\|1611]] [[King James Version]]]]
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	*'''[[Acts 13:18 ~~(TRV)~~\|Acts 13:18]]''' Now for a time of about forty years He endured with their ways in the wilderness.		*'''[[Acts 13:18 King James Version 2016\|Acts 13:18]]''' Now for a time of about forty years He endured with their ways in the wilderness.

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	*'''[[Acts 13:18 (TRV)\|Acts 13:18]]'''		*'''[[Acts 13:18 (TRV)\|Acts 13:18]]''' Now for a time of about forty years He endured with their ways in the wilderness.

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	* '''[[Acts 13:18 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 13:18]]'''		* '''[[Acts 13:18 Greek NT: Beza's Textus Receptus (1598)\|ΠΡΑΞΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΑΠΟΣΤΟΛΩΝ 13:18]]''' [[2532\|καὶ]] [[5613\|ὡς]] [[5063\|τεσσαρακονταετῆ]] [[5550\|χρόνον]] [[5159\|ἐτροποφόρησεν]] [[846\|αὐτοὺς]] [[1722\|ἐν]] [[3588\|τῇ]] [[2048\|ἐρήμῳ]]

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	* [[1549 AD\|1549]] ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 2nd)		* [[1549 AD\|1549]] ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 2nd)
	* [[1550 AD\|1550]] ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 3rd - [[Editio Regia]])		* [[1550 AD\|1550]] καὶ ὡς τεσσαρακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροποφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 3rd - [[Editio Regia]])
	* [[1551 AD\|1551]] ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 4th)		* [[1551 AD\|1551]] καὶ ὡς τεσσαρακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροποφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ ([[Robert Estienne]] (Stephanus) 4th)

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	* [[1590 AD\|1590]] (Beza Octavo 4th)		* [[1590 AD\|1590]] (Beza Octavo 4th)
	* [[1598 AD\|1598]] (Beza 4th)		* [[1598 AD\|1598]] Καὶ ὡς τεσσερακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροφοφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ. (Beza 4th)
	''See Also [[Acts 13:18 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''		''See Also [[Acts 13:18 Beza 1598]] ([[Theodore Beza\|Beza]])''
	* [[1604 AD\|1604]] (Beza Octavo 5th)		* [[1604 AD\|1604]] (Beza Octavo 5th)
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	* [[1894 AD\|1894]] ~~(? ????? ???T???)~~		* [[1894 AD\|1894]] καὶ ὡς τεσσαρακονταετῆ χρόνον ἐτροποφόρησεν αὐτοὺς ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ

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